Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
I have no reads on either player. Is flop sizing ok for the raise? Calling here seems stupid since they look weak. I don't know what to make of his 3bet. Seems like it could be a FD, but its a 3bet pot so I don't know how many of those hands even call my raise and then call a 3bet.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> CO ($101.40) Button ($104.15) SB ($18.50) <font color="#C00000">BB ($186.45)</font> UTG ($55.60) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($97)</font> MP1 ($97.80) MP2 ($99) MP3 ($84.15) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $13</font>, Hero calls $8, BB calls $8. Flop: ($39.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1</font>, UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $26</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $51</font>, UTG folds, Hero is wondering wtf is going on. |
Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
Sick. Since it's an unknown, I'd just shove and pay off sets, but I don't like it at all. Still, I think you see enough J-x/drawing hands for it to be okay.
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Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
Doesn't BB betting $1.00 tell you anything? Serious question.
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Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
Seems like a set, I would fold.
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Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
$1 bet? I don't know whats going on here. Personally I pay off a set here I think. I think it's also likely that he has a flush draw. The only think I can get from his $1 bet is that maybe he is hoping that the both of you have autofold clicked?
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Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
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Doesn't BB betting $1.00 tell you anything? Serious question. [/ QUOTE ] no, I always get confused as [censored] when unknowns minbet or bet less than 20% of the pot. I have no idea what his range is. I'd guess its anywhere from total air to JJJ. |
Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
It's a draw 95% of the time in my experience in a non 3bet pot. I'm curious what it was this time. Surely you called.
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It's a draw 95% of the time in my experience in a non 3bet pot. I'm curious what it was this time. Surely you called. [/ QUOTE ] notice there is still money behind. |
Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
I think hes on a draw (cause of the min donk bet). Shove.
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[ QUOTE ] Doesn't BB betting $1.00 tell you anything? Serious question. [/ QUOTE ] no, I always get confused as [censored] when unknowns minbet or bet less than 20% of the pot. I have no idea what his range is. I'd guess its anywhere from total air to JJJ. [/ QUOTE ] In a pot this big, I'd lean towards it being something decent, but usually (raised to 4BB pf, 1-2 callers) I just raise to 2/3+ and get a fold 80% of the time. |
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[ QUOTE ] It's a draw 95% of the time in my experience in a non 3bet pot. I'm curious what it was this time. Surely you called. [/ QUOTE ] notice there is still money behind. [/ QUOTE ]HH does show you saw a showdown so surely you called. I'd probably fold but I fold to much. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's a draw 95% of the time in my experience in a non 3bet pot. I'm curious what it was this time. Surely you called. [/ QUOTE ] notice there is still money behind. [/ QUOTE ]HH does show you saw a showdown so surely you called. I'd probably fold but I fold to much. [/ QUOTE ] yea...I shoved, just wondering what other would do here. |
Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
So UTG limp/reraised PF what means AA or KK a good amount of the time. BB called your raise and the other raise, that clearly looks like a pair for set value (AdKd or something like that might be but I don't think he would play that with minbet/3bet on the flop and even against AdKd you're a 47 to 53 dog). His line does look a lot like a set. I think you have to fold here especially with the money still left.
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Re: Weird QQ spot in 3bet pot vs. 2 unknowns (NL100)
Results?
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Results? [/ QUOTE ] I shoved, he all with K10o no diamonds and I held. Just a really weird spot though. The AJ hand I posted in the chat thread yesterday was against the same guy exactly 2 hands later. You said preflop was terrible, but I was fine going to the felt with top pair there, but instead I turned the nuts and he decided it was time to raise/4bet 55 UI. |
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[ QUOTE ] Results? [/ QUOTE ] I shoved, he all with K10o no diamonds and I held. Just a really weird spot though. The AJ hand I posted in the chat thread yesterday was against the same guy exactly 2 hands later. You said preflop was terrible, but I was fine going to the felt with top pair there, but instead I turned the nuts and he decided it was time to raise/4bet 55 UI. [/ QUOTE ] Gotcha...the AJ hand definitely makes more sense now. |
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