i\'m i too passive?
 

Current Number of Players: 8
UncleErnesto start position: 62.50
allyasia start position: 56.90
WrzWaldo start position: 41.95
smileyguy38 start position: 43.35
PokerDude start position: 50.00
CLAYMAN604 start position: 13.10
SamtheLamb start position: 13.85
Revitox start position: 50.30
allyasia posts small blind (0.25)
UncleErnesto posts big blind (0.50)
PokerDude posts (0.50)
allyasia is dealt down [7c Jc]
Revitox folds
SamtheLamb folds
CLAYMAN604 folds
PokerDude checks
smileyguy38 folds
WrzWaldo folds
allyasia calls (0.50)
UncleErnesto checks
flop: [3c 9s Js]
allyasia bets (1.45)
UncleErnesto raises to (2.90)
PokerDude raises to (4.35)
allyasia calls (4.35)
UncleErnesto folds
turn: [Jd]
allyasia checks
PokerDude bets (5)
allyasia calls (5)
river: [Tc]
allyasia checks
PokerDude bets (10)
allyasia calls (10)

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

I'd fold the flop.

Rest is ok. Against some players you can fold the river.

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

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I'd fold the flop.

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I'd fold pre-flop.

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

seriously, I'm suprised you were playing that hand in the first place OP

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I might raise that in position pre-flop, but I'm definitely not cold-calling a reraise there.

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seriously, I'm suprised you were playing that hand in the first place OP

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I'm SB, and it's not raise to me.
half price^^

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

A valid point but I still don't know about playing it just becuase it seems like a whack hand to be out of position for. It would really matter the table and how people are playing, I'll definately admit I've played worse hands from the small blind though so I can't blame ya.

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

I think folding pre-flop is the plan here. Even though you're getting half price, you'll be out of position with a crap hand unless the flop hits you REALLY hard. Even if it does, there are only two other people in, and the chance that one of them hits something decent enough to pay you off is minimal. I'd consider calling pre-flop if there were more people in before me (3 or 4) just to take advantage of ridiculous pot odds. Once the flop hits and your bet is raised AND re-raised, it's time to leave.

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

Preflop is close, depends how deep stacks are but you should lay it down if you aren't getting away from a Jack on the flop. Check and fold to any bets on the flop. You have top pair, no kicker, in a multiway pot and any multiway pot with J9 on it is likely going to showdown. Your hand doesn't have much showdown value. It went bet, raise, 3-bet on flop... instamuck.

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Preflop is close, depends how deep stacks are but you should lay it down if you aren't getting away from a Jack on the flop. Check and fold to any bets on the flop. You have top pair, no kicker, in a multiway pot and any multiway pot with J9 on it is likely going to showdown. Your hand doesn't have much showdown value. It went bet, raise, 3-bet on flop... instamuck.

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why is any flop with J9 on it, is likely going to showdown?

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

3.5:1 pot odds. on the flop, and folded if i didn't improve on the turn.
on the Turn 3.62:1 pot odds to call when i improve, and i did, but i don't feel i'm strong enough to lead out.
River 3.31:1 pot odds
are those odds enough to call here? or i'm just simply use pot odds the wrong way?
*i can't find any books that discuss about pot odds other then odds on str8/flush draws.
i did like to know
what's good odds to call the rag flop with nothing but over card.
what's good odds too call the rag flop with top pair or top set on a 3 suited board.
let's say, everybody fold but you and the other guy, and you have position. and he lead out.
are the odds to call change when you don't have position?

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

You've gotta ask yourself if you think your win % is high enough to justify calling. On the flop, if you have 3.5 to 1 odds, you need to feel you can win 2 out of 9 tries (give or take). I think the action is screaming out that you're beat here.

Remember that those odds are to IMPROVE your hand...not necessarily win. If a jack had come out to give you a set, you'd still be losing to a jack with a better kicker.

Re: i\'m i too passive?
 

A club improves your hand most on the turn and it's not close. Do you see why? Seven on turn is marginal improvement, maybe worth calling down or raising. A Jack does not change things, you either had best hand on flop and still do or you were beat and still are. Fold the flop. Fold preflop. Jack is not an 'out'.