bluffing, floating and being retarded
 

Villain is dwballz who has a history of owning me.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

money2442: $2,692.20
dwballz: $1,730.00
TurkeyThomas: $1,942.00
Joescashflow: $439.60
JediPokerTrix: $2,257.00
Hero: $2,813.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $66.00</font>, money2442 folds, dwballz calls $46.00

Flop: ($142) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">dwballz bets $115.00</font>, Hero calls $115.00

Turn: ($372) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">dwballz bets $280.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $989.00</font>,

Re: bluffing, floating and being retarded
 

Lately I've been looking up people in spots like this because when an aggressive player calls my flop bet on a board like that, I generally rule out flush draws because most aggressive players (at least ones that I play with) are going to raise cbets with flush draws on the flop.

Wouldn't be surprised if he put you on about what you had and shoved.

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I do this sometimes, and think it's a good play if you have a lot of history with opponent and expect to keep playing him. I think you can get him to fold a decent amount of hands, and as long as you do play flush draws/sets like this occasionally, it's not bad. Also, if he does look u up, you have lotta outs and it will make him hesitant to bluff lead into you and double barrel you in the future

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Does this guy lead into you often after you PF raise? It's possible he has a set or a flush and will call your raise here. He is showing a lot of strength by betting into you twice. I usually save steal plays for when the guy shows weakness.

If this guy owns you so often why try to make a play when he is probably good at seeing through them?

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I'm not in love with the flop float, but turn is fine. Are you calling if he shoves (I don't have a good answer to that lol)?

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meh to the turn raise, when he almost-pots twice he's pretty strong here, i think. plus you have to call a shove. flop float, well, dont do it too often but its alright now and again, especially if you have good reads on his postflop play.

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What about just calling the turn?

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What about just jamming the turn?

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Personally, I show up here with the flush a lot...

depends how often you think he's two barreling

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What about just jamming the turn?

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Personally, I show up here with the flush a lot...

depends how often you think he's two barreling

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Stack sizes are awkward for this, but I think jamming it is best, and yes you can definitely have a flush here a lot.

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Are you calling if he shoves (I don't have a good answer to that lol)?

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really?

We're getting &gt; 5:1...

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What about just jamming the turn?

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Personally, I show up here with the flush a lot...

depends how often you think he's two barreling

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Stack sizes are awkward for this

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No, stack sizes are awkward for a raise to $1k.

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Raising to 1k is clearly worse than shove yah.

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oh man this is not good imo borderlining on awful.... the turn raise size is terrible, the flop isa bad one to float, everything just feels forced and out of place

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flop float meh seems alright, but fold most of the time.

turn I would prefer jamming it compared to what you did. Making it $989 is awkward.

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Love the play, I would just jam though. I think this should be part of everyones repertoire.

I think he should be good enough to lay down a set here, right?

Your hand looks like a flush to me.

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ur emotions vs a good player are costing you homey

oh, and if ur commited to 5:1 w/ that turn raise you mine as well have pushed all in

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Game flow and player dependant, but for the most part, I think the turn play if aweful. If it isn't pure air on his part, it's lost funds.

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If it isn't pure air on his part, it's lost funds.

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You guys that hate this so much seriously aren't bet/folding hardly any fairly strong hands here?

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not really. air or something strong 97% of the time. i'd have to think he was very stragithforward and calling stationy to bet fold AQ, or KK, say

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I don't know... stealing the lead on the flop and firing a 2nd barrel on that turn card screams big hand to me.. seems like a lot of hands got there. I just feel the range of hands that wont release on a raise is relatively wide.

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i'd have to think he was very stragithforward and calling stationy to bet fold AQ, or KK, say

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So what are you doing with these hands?

C/c two streets seems pretty gross.

C/c c/f seems similarly gross, given the board.

C/f seems kinda weak, but is probably okay since most everything just got there

Bet/call just seems like total spew.

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Admittedly, without a history of him leading weak hands on the flop, this line looks a *whole* lot worse, and we run into a set or a flush a lot here.

He *might* fold a set, but I wouldn't expect him to.

WRT to my last post, I guess the PF action probably makes those hands a lot less likely, if it doesn't rule them out completely, and is probably the clincher here.

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what about fold preflop?

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what about fold preflop?

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nit

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I'm not in love with the flop float, but turn is fine. Are you calling if he shoves (I don't have a good answer to that lol)?

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why dont we like floating this flop?

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what about fold preflop?

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nit

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omg sorry i thought we were calling the raise in the blinds, my mistake.

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If you have something really good on this flop youre gonna raise because a lot of draws are there and good players usually raise draws on flop. Specially this flop can hit many combo drawing hands and flush draws with two overcards. All of these cards like said usually raise this flop.

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dwballz likes to lead/donk into preflop raisers on the flop, so I don't mind the float. I'm pretty sure he can do this w/ tp, flush draw, set, or air