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A replay of 2000.

Looks like the Mets rotation will be Glavine/Maine/Trachsel/Perez, unless Willie decides it's better to keep Trachsel at home and on regular rest.

What's the Cards rotation gonna be? Carpenter in Game 2 on short rest, or Game 3 on extended rest?

Looking forward to it!

LET'S GO METS GO!

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I'm guessin Weaver. Suppan. Carp. Reyes.

No Timo or Oddjob this time and the Cards got #5

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Can someone tell me why Perez starts ahead of Dave Williams? I like Perez a lot -- for next year. But I don't think you want to take the chance of him starting a game in the NLCS unless you're up 3-0; and if he gets pounded and has to be pulled in the first couple of innings, you could damage the guy long term. With one exception, Dave Williams gave the Mets everything they should need in this series: 5 to 7 innings, 3 or 4 runs.

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i don't think they'll start trachsel at home, his road stats are alot better

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lets go........cards?

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I'm guessin Weaver. Suppan. Carp. Reyes.



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Is it too early to be salivating over the thought of Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Green, Chavez, Valentin, and possibly Floyd lineup up from the left side against Weaver in a rockin' Shea for Game 1?

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Can someone tell me why Perez starts ahead of Dave Williams? I like Perez a lot -- for next year. But I don't think you want to take the chance of him starting a game in the NLCS unless you're up 3-0; and if he gets pounded and has to be pulled in the first couple of innings, you could damage the guy long term. With one exception, Dave Williams gave the Mets everything they should need in this series: 5 to 7 innings, 3 or 4 runs.

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I think it's a matter of going with the "stuff". I suppose Willie/Omar's thinking is that they can catch lightning in a bottle with Perez and he can potentially go out there and throw a gem. If he's shaky early, they can do as they did in Games 1 and 3 vs. the Dodgers.

I know Williams was solid in the regular season, but I put the chances of him imploding about even with those for Perez.

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I think it's a terrible move. Perez was pretty bad, with one notable exception. The Mets don't need a 14-strikeout shutout. They need 5 innings, 3 runs. Perez isn't going to give them that. He's either going to be lights out, or get lit up; and unfortunately the latter is more likely. Williams was much more steady, and choosing Perez over him does not make sense to me.

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What's the Cards rotation gonna be?

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I dunno but I do know that Ankiel should definitely be in there.

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I'm guessin Weaver. Suppan. Carp. Reyes.

No Timo or Oddjob this time and the Cards got #5

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I thought reyes wasnt on the roster?

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I'm guessin Weaver. Suppan. Carp. Reyes.

No Timo or Oddjob this time and the Cards got #5

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I thought reyes wasnt on the roster?

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The rosters can change between series

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Is it too early to be salivating over the thought of Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Green, Chavez, Valentin, and possibly Floyd lineup up from the left side against Weaver in a rockin' Shea for Game 1?

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well, that list has five guys that can only play outfield and first base. floyd probably won't be able to go, so that will solve that problem.

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I'm guessin Weaver. Suppan. Carp. Reyes.



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Is it too early to be salivating over the thought of Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Green, Chavez, Valentin, and possibly Floyd lineup up from the left side against Weaver in a rockin' Shea for Game 1?

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Ask the Padres

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Is it too early to be salivating over the thought of Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Green, Chavez, Valentin, and possibly Floyd lineup up from the left side against Weaver in a rockin' Shea for Game 1?

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well, that list has five guys that can only play outfield and first base. floyd probably won't be able to go, so that will solve that problem.

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Mike Francesca said tonight that Floyd will be out. Lastings Milledge was called up. Just adds to the Mets speed but takes away their power. Man, Milledge should have been traded back in July huh? Oh well, maybe he has a hell of a NLCS.

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It's the mid 80s rivalry I grew up with....the Mets are still more of a rival to me than the strokeoffs

Mets have the edge, but it's not by much. I'm guessing Mets in 6 as I don't think Weaver and Suppan can both keep it up.

This Cards team is much better than the second half team as Edmonds is playing great, Eckstein is solid, and Wainwright pwns an injured Isringhausen.

The good news is that Pujols hits well in Shea IIRC. Well, he hits well everywhere, but even moreso in Shea.

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Man, Milledge should have been traded back in July huh?

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He was. Angelos then killed the Osawalt deal. Twice.

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A little note on the three game series that the mets swept the cards towards the end of the season.

Mulder and Marquis both started a game. Izzy blew a save. None of them on the roster. (Well Marquis might be but i hope he doesnt find a start.)

No Eck or Edmonds.

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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Throw some money on that.

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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Throw some money on that.

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Unlikely, as that would require him to actually believe the crap that he's spewing.

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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Throw some money on that.

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Unlikely, as that would require him to actually believe the crap that he's spewing.

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As a Mets fan, I think we'll take the series in 6 or 7, but why wouldn't he believe what he said?

Mets rotation is better (or at least, better suited for this series given the vs. lefty splits from the Cardinals foursome), Mets bullpen is better, and Mets lineup is better, no?

The wild card is that the Cardinals have the only ace on either staff. Win his games, steal another one or two from the other guys, and we have ourselves a 7 game roller coaster.

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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Throw some money on that.

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Unlikely, as that would require him to actually believe the crap that he's spewing.

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NYM's lineup is SLIGHTLY better than SD's, at least in my own crap spewing opinion.

As far as a bet, provide me with some sort of indication if Carp is pitching game 2 or game 3 and a link to a ML on the Mets in 5, and I will offer you a noticablely better price. Let's do it.

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A little note on the three game series that the mets swept the cards towards the end of the season.

Mulder and Marquis both started a game. Izzy blew a save. None of them on the roster.

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Fair point. But Suppan and Weaver did face the Mets this year and got blasted pretty good. And those guys are potentially pitching 4 of 7 games. (Ok, probably only 3)

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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Throw some money on that.

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Unlikely, as that would require him to actually believe the crap that he's spewing.

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NYM's lineup is SLIGHTLY better than SD's, at least in my own crap spewing opinion.

As far as a bet, provide me with some sort of indication if Carp is pitching game 2 or game 3 and a link to a ML on the Mets in 5, and I will offer you a noticablely better price. Let's do it.

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sportsbook.com will have the odds of each team winning in exact games up soon. They did for all the other series thus far.

For the series as a whole, the moneyline is between -170 and -180 Mets

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Guys,

Despite Weaver's last start, I feel sick about having him be a potential pivotal starter in a playoff series. I'm much more inclined to believe his last start was variance-filled goodness and all of his previous starts were the true Weaver than the other way around.

Of course I'm rooting hard for the Cards, but I'm not delusional. Any pitcher other than Carp starts, and I'm a nervous wreck from the very first pitch. Any time the Mets get into the Card's 'pen, and I'm a nervous wreck.

And I'll still love every second of it. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] playoff baseball.

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On the Mets in 5 statement. I don't see this being completely outlandish. I don't think it will be in 5, but if there is a team that can catch lightning in a bottle it is the New York Mets. Their lineup allows for this. With the whole Perez and Maine ordeal, I'll stick with what I said in game 1, young and dumb. Maybe their adrenaline will just carry them. If not, well Willie will have to do some of that magic he does when he goes to the bullpen.

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Guys,

Despite Weaver's last start, I feel sick about having him be a potential pivotal starter in a playoff series. I'm much more inclined to believe his last start was variance-filled goodness and all of his previous starts were the true Weaver than the other way around.

Of course I'm rooting hard for the Cards, but I'm not delusional. Any pitcher other than Carp starts, and I'm a nervous wreck from the very first pitch. Any time the Mets get into the Card's 'pen, and I'm a nervous wreck.

And I'll still love every second of it. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] playoff baseball.

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Thank you reality and sensibility from a Cards fan. Finally.

Carp and Pujols are absolutely sick in their overall talent and clutchness. They are gonna give the Mets a little scare, but the Mets lineup is too good, along with the fact that IMO the Mets starters are just better after you get past Carp.

GL to the Cards though, I like to see any and all NY teams get beat.

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Series Prediction


Game 1:
Albert Pujols will go 4 for 4 with 4 homeruns. Unfortunately for the Cardinals Jeff Weaver will give up 5 runs in the 1st inning and hit 3 batters. The Cardinals will have only 3 other baserunners all game.
Final Score: Mets 8, Cardinals 4...W:Glavine/L:Weaver

Game 2:
John Maine will surprise everyone and throw a gem, going 7 innings and only allowing 2 runs, both on solo shots to Albert Pujols. David Wright and Beltran will both take Suppan deep and Endy Chavez will have a cltuch opposite field single to drive in 2 tack on runs.
Final Score: Mets 5, Cardinals 2
...W:Maine/L:Suppan/S:Wagner

Game 3:
Trachsel will pitch like crap as usual and Carpenter will pitch a shutout through 6. Cardinals other than Albert Pujols will drive in runs. Braden Looper will throw 3 [censored] innings to end the game for a save
Final Score: Cardinals 9, Mets 2
...W:Carpenter/L:Trachsel/S:Looper

Game 4:
Oliver Perez will walk 3 batters and give up 5 doubles in the 1st inning while retiring only 1 batter. The Metes will sratch and claw vs Reyes and eventually take the lead vs Tyler Johnson on a basehit by Endy Chavez. Wagner will walk 3 Cardinals in the 9th including Pujols but strike out Jim Edmonds with the bases loaded.
Final Score: Mets 9, Cardinals 8
...W:Mota/L:Johnson/S:Wagner

Game 5:
Glavine will pitch a gem but Wagner will unfortunately walk a batter, hit a batter and then give up a game winning 3 run shot to Albert Pujols in the bottom of the 9th. shifting the series back to Shea. Jeff Weaver will somehow pitch a surprising 7 innings of 1 run ball. The Mets will have a team meeting after the game because getting shutdown by a pitcher this [censored] will be very embarassing.
Final Score: Cardinals 4, Mets 3...W:Wainright/L:Wagner

Game 6:
John Maine and Jeff Suppan will both give their teams 6 innings of 3 run ball. Albetr Pujols will homer in the top of the 7th off Aaron Heilman to give the Mets the lead but Endy Chavez will single, steal second and score on a Lo Duca single to tie it at 4. The game will go into extra innings and the Met pen will shine allowing nothing more than 3 Intentional Bases Empty Walks to Pujols. The Cardinals pen will get into a few james but Julio Franco will pinch hit and hit into a DP to end a particular threat in the 12th. The Cardinals will take a 5-4 lead in the top of the 17th when Albert Pujols walks against Roberto Hernandez with the Bases Loaded. Having no other opptions, the Cardinals will have Braden Looper pitch the bottom of the 17th. That being said...
Final Score: Mets 6, Cardinals 5...W:Hernandez/L:Looper
There were 0 outs when the winning run scored

Mets win series 4 games to 2

When you place bets on this series you can send all your thank you notes to me.

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LoL. Did Pujols just hit 6 home runs and the Mets still win the series?

Edit: Ahh...they were all solo shots. My bad.

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LoL. Did Pujols just hit 6 home runs and the Mets still win the series?

Edit: Ahh...they were all solo shots. My bad.

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lol

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Cliff Floyd out for remainder of playoffs (achilles).

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Cliff Floyd out for remainder of playoffs (achilles).

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If we get to the WS this will really suck. I wanted Floyd to DH and Chavez to play the OF.

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So did I. And I'm still hoping that Floyd can heal his achilles to the point where he can still do that. Having him and Chavez in the lineup would have been $.

Chavez is no slouch though. He doesn't have Cliff's home run power but he was better than Cliff in: AVG, OBP, SLG & OPS this year. He is also a better fielder and base runner.

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BTW, if the Mets do lose this series I don't want to hear any crap from the Yankee fans. Rememebr the Mets are the better team on paper going into this series. So that is my defense, if we lose it's just variance. lol.

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No, if we lose it's cause our 3B sucks in the playoffs.

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Mets fans have to acknowledge that the Cards have the best starting pitcher and the best hitter in the series. That scares this Mets fan.

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Mets fans have to acknowledge that the Cards have the best starting pitcher and the best hitter in the series. That scares this Mets fan.

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They do, but if they win I'll just be like the Yankee fans and say we had the better team coming in and would win in the long term, so no worries. Since we have the better team, I don't even understand why we have to play the games.

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Mets fans have to acknowledge that the Cards have the best starting pitcher and the best hitter in the series. That scares this Mets fan.

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It scares me too. But if Maine, Trachsel & Perez can give us 5 innings each the Mets will be in good shape.

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if the Red Birds pitch Carp in game two, they might win two games, otherwise it's Mets in 5.

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since no one else has asked, i'll volunteer. why does it matter whether carpenter pitches games 2 and 6 or 3 and 7 when you're predicting mets in 5? either way he only starts one of the first five games.

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Thank you reality and sensibility from a Cards fan. Finally.


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ummm....I did say Mets in 6 earlier

it's not that unlikely for the Cards to win though as the Mets are -175 or whatever to win the series....that's less than 2 to 1. It would be an upset, but not a major one.