you ever try [censored] like this when you think youre gettin 3b light?
 

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BB: $68.60
UTG: $101.85
MP: $117.65
Hero (CO): $328.20
BTN: $62.45
SB: $100

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $13</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $9.50

Flop: ($27) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $22</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $93</font>,

Re: you ever try [censored] like this when you think youre gettin 3b l
 

it's not as bad as some people are going to say it is as his calling range is pretty narrow.

hate doing it with so little equity though

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I'd prefer to have at least A high or a gutshot or some sort of outs so that if I get called I'm not drawing dead...

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i pull similar moves but try to actually have some equity for if/when i get called. also make sure you have a decent 4bet freq.

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it's not as bad as some people are going to say it is as his calling range is pretty narrow.

hate doing it with so little equity though

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i pull similar moves but try to actually have some equity for if/when i get called. also make sure you have a decent 4bet freq.

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I'd rather have a pair/outs but w/e, he folds a bunch probably

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.



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He said villain is probably 3 betting light.

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I would much rather 4 bet lighter for 3 reason.
1 I serves the same purpose which is to slow down the light 3bettor.
2 It is cheaper. In this example, you could have 4bet to 40 and gotten the same results.
3 It doesn't allow him to hit his hand that he 3bet light. Letting him see a flop is dangerous.

In this example, you even have position so if he does call your 4 bet you can see what happens on the flop.

SMS

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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that says [censored] lol, they can still 3bet light.

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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that says [censored] lol, they can still 3bet light.

[/ QUOTE ]sure they can, but they also dont do it as often, dont cbet as often, and dont fold as often.

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too often

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have outs next time

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Better done as a semi-bluff, and not on K high flops. And what exactly made you believe you were getting 3bet light?

Don't worry though, you're going runner runner for the straight so it's a great play!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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that says [censored] lol, they can still 3bet light.

[/ QUOTE ]sure they can, but they also dont do it as often, dont cbet as often, and dont fold as often.

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this isnt a random. im not trying to defend my play in one way or the other, im just saying, thats a lame reason to say dont do it.

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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that says [censored] lol, they can still 3bet light.

[/ QUOTE ]sure they can, but they also dont do it as often, dont cbet as often, and dont fold as often.

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imho almost all nl100 light 3betters cbet too much (almost always) ... it's like they read somewhere they should light 3bet but still cbet 95% of the time like they did with their JJ+/AK/AQs range

which is why calling 87s preflop and shoving over his cbet on boards like this is ++++ev ... i don't get why you'd do it with J high though, just fold (or 4bet) pf

look at at this way: you only get a limited number of shoves. when you shove over his cbet EVEYR TIME on flops like this he will adapt ... when you only do it some of time he's less likely to adapt, so why not use one of your shoves when you have 25% equity when called instead of 1% equity when called?

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given his bet sizing, i dont really like it. many tags will pot with strong hands and bet smaller with air/etc. plus i usually like to have some outs.

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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There isn't that much difference between 100NL &amp; 200NL anymore...if it sucks, it sucks at both levels.

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didnt see this was 100NL...yeah this sucks.

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There isn't that much difference between 100NL &amp; 200NL anymore...

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sorry, no. at least not on pokerstars

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there is tons of difference btw 100 and 200 at Full Tilt right now. TONS.

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matter at hand please

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matter at hand please

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what else do you want us to say?

1. be sure he's really 3 betting light
2. try to have outs

its up to you to decide on his 3betting, cbetting, and folding/calling ranges, and obviously you want equity if behind

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it's not as bad as some people are going to say it is as his calling range is pretty narrow.

hate doing it with so little equity though

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agree, if you call a light 3bet... light, you have to be willing to make a move sometimes; or you can always 4bet.

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contact barrin6

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have outs next time

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what else do you want us to say?

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i want you to talk about the differences between nl100 and nl200

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risk 85 to win 49=need 63% equity

aa, kk, ak, aqss, ajss = 20 combinations (edit: i have 6.0% equity versus this range.)
aq, aj, 99-qq = 46 combinations

thus, he folds 69.7% of the time, even using this smaller range. its profitable even without including that we can win this pot if he calls. (edit: we have 1.8% suckout equity and 71.5% total equity.) even though i didnt have much equity if im called, i figured that this would be the perfect flop for a shove.

lets say the flop was qt5ds. do you shove? the flop hits a ton of hands in his range, but you have better equity.
on that flop, using the same range, lets say we get called by aq+ aks ajs aa, kk, qq, tt. there are 29 combinations of this. we have 20.6% equity versus this range. there are 34 combinations that he folds.

math:
he folds 54.0% of the time. he calls 46% of the time with when we have 20.6% equity = 9.5%

54+9.5=63.5
so example 2 is slightly +ev, and my hand is more +ev.

this is the first math post ive done, and prob my last so tell me if i screwed something up

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It looks like you've picked a calling range to suit what you wanted to do, not what he likely has.

He could have KQ/KJ/KT here (you said he was 3betting light), he could have 66/77/67s. He could decide not to fold QQ/JJ because it's a drawy flop and he just doesn't feel like folding. I really don't think you're getting him to fold 69% of the time or anywhere close to it.

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if he has hands like that and calls with then it also expands the number of hands that hes folding

if you feel like coming up with your own range and doing the math, feel free

edit: to further explain, i picked a tight range to err on the side of caution

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what terp said

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contact barrin6

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lol what