Several Hotshots Supposedly Broke Or In Debt
 

Won't name names and I might be wrong about some of them, but it does include players who made millions off Andy Beal, Guy, from Cique du Soleil and other rich amateurs.

But the bottom line is that most of these "stars" (I can't name the exceptions either because that would narrow things down too much) are simply among a group of the top fifty or hundred players. Actually many aren't even quite that good except in multiple games, an area that most smaller players have no reason to try to get excel at.

In other words, except for two or three possible exceptions, I contend that the super high successful players are no better than the best of the 300-600 limit players or the 50-100 NLH or PLO players. They got lucky, were in the right place at the right time, or they were good at all games but masters at none. Nothing to waste your adulation on.

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RIVETING!!!

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Doyle Brunson said something to that exact same effect somewhere.

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David,

Are you including things like game selection and tilt avoidance in your definition of poker skill?

I'd certainly agree that you start to run up against diminishing returns on technical acumen in a game like limit hold 'em pretty quickly, but that's not all there is to succeeding at the highest stakes.

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i contend david sklansky is no more intelligent than a common third rate college mathematics teacher. he simply got lucky that he got laid even less (despite his enormous peen obv) than them, and therefore studied extra hard in mathematics and also developed the delicate super-ego we have all come to know and love.

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what is the point of this post? It contains almost no specific information.

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what is the point of this post? It contains almost no specific information.

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to let you know that he knows stuff that you don't

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lets name some names!

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I think the point of the post is for somebody else to jump in and name them. So let's hear it. Who have I been admiring that is now busto?

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So if I say that when I was in LA a week ago and I saw a former big-game regular always playing games in the 200/400 to 400/800 range, my level of gossip is on Sklansky's range?

David's post belongs in BBV as without naming names it's just a knowledge brag.

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David,

You suck at NVG.

And there's no way you can quarrel with that statement.

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isnt this like common knowledge and/or the exact same thing with so many other things in life?

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David,

You suck at NVG.

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Hate to agree....but the Yeti's spot on.

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate

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ty, ill take that for a fact then...

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

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Won't name names and I might be wrong about some of them, but it does include players who made millions off Andy Beal, Guy, from Cique du Soleil and other rich amateurs.

But the bottom line is that most of these "stars" (I can't name the exceptions either because that would narrow things down too much) are simply among a group of the top fifty or hundred players. Actually many aren't even quite that good except in multiple games, an area that most smaller players have no reason to try to get excel at.

In other words, except for two or three possible exceptions, I contend that the super high successful players are no better than the best of the 300-600 limit players or the 50-100 NLH or PLO players. They got lucky, were in the right place at the right time, or they were good at all games but masters at none. Nothing to waste your adulation on.

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A Sklansky post I can agree with, even if it is rather petty.

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

[/ QUOTE ]I thought people were saying harman was the one of the richest poker players there was

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So if I say that when I was in LA a week ago and I saw a former big-game regular always playing games in the 200/400 to 400/800 range, my level of gossip is on Sklansky's range?

David's post belongs in BBV as without naming names it's just a knowledge brag.

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Might it be true that some LA big game players just play 400 or 500 during the week and at the B on weekends? Thats as high as it gets in LA, barring the Hustler game, which only goes once a week.

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.



[/ QUOTE ]I thought people were saying harman was the one of the richest poker players there was

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I'll say it for the umpteenth time: This is why counting other people's money is stupid.

David, you've been in the game probably as long as I've been alive and it took you this long to be able to express the fact that poker success is mostly smoke-and-mirrors?

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How is this even considered news? It's no secret than several "superstars" are losing players....

I can think of one in particular that's gotta be down at least a half mil in the last couple years....

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DS,

Wait a sec, you're saying that among a lot of guys at a similar level of skill, the ones that run the hottest will often jump up to higher levels and some of them will run hot there as well and be perceived as being far better than they really are? Thanks, hard to imagine why nobody had thought of that as a possibility until now.

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DS,

Wait a sec, you're saying that among a lot of guys at a similar level of skill, the ones that run the hottest will often jump up to higher levels and some of them will run hot there as well and be perceived as being far better than they really are? Thanks, hard to imagine why nobody had thought of that as a possibility until now.

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dingdingding ding!

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I'm not too surprised about your skill assessment after seeing the quality of play on high stakes poker. I am a surprised if a high% of high stakes players are having financial problems considering how great the action has been the past sev. years.

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to let you know that he knows stuff that you don't

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David,

You suck at NVG.

And there's no way you can quarrel with that statement.

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Agreed! I think there should be some rule. No f-ing [censored]-teases in NVG, please. If you've got some gossip. Spill it all!

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

Daniel N is also busto, not life busto, just cash busto. He had money invested well so not hurting in the game of life, but his poker bankroll is gone.

Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.


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For the recent abuse I've given Nick Rainey, I give him credit here. Come up with the goods here.

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isnt this like common knowledge and/or the exact same thing with so many other things in life?

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[x] this thread delivers

DS drops rant bomb

posters respond non warmly

tennis guys posts omitted language from OP

vetran posters take turns installing DSs 3rd input

and as if that weren't enough a forum member named
ironically enough - B Buddy - chimes about how
poker games have been "great the action has been
the past sev. years"

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They mentioned this multiple times without specifying anybody on this season's HSP.

It sounds like Harmon invested too much and didn't leave herself enough of a bankroll. Booth probably bluffed it all away. DN sucks.

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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

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Given the stories of how this guy throws money away, this wouldn't surprise me at all.

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So Mike Matusow Isn't A jackass after all?
In the end he is like everyone else?

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Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

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Hasn't LV real estate tanked over the last 2 years?

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Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

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Hasn't LV real estate tanked over the last 2 years?

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But anyone in the market before then has still killed it

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stop shooting david down. while vague, his post contributes more than most nvg posts. u have to understand. david is privy to tier 1 gossip that is often private. if he spills the beans he risks being cut off and may lose friends.

if anything, davids opinion here will prevent nutriders from jumping in to defend a tv pro when they are berated for making a bad play.

while the info that many of these hs guys are bust and aren't better than the specialists, this info is not obvious to the smaller stakes players here, and davids opinion carries enough weight that the less informed may start to accept that some of these guys aren't the almighty talents they believe them to be.

q, if so many pros are going bust, who's getting the money? pits? doyle? i-pros? all of the above?

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Jennifer Harman same thing. But she has many properties in town and has a fortune in real estate.

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Hasn't LV real estate tanked over the last 2 years?

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah but tanking if you are worth 8 figures still can't be too bad...


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Brad Booth in debt over a Million. Guy is major busto

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Given the stories of how this guy throws money away, this wouldn't surprise me at all.

[/ QUOTE ]let's hear some stories

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this thread sucks. ban?

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q, if so many pros are going bust, who's getting the money? pits? doyle? i-pros? all of the above?

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