I think the federal rates are going to go up.
 

I know it sounds like a doom and gloom idea but it appears that cash has become king in the market once again. There is SO MUCH DEBT out there. More debt than most people can imagine. Can somebody prove me wrong? Can somebody please tell me why overwhelming and unmanageable debt can somehow lead to economic growth in the long term? Well I CAN NOT. And because I see this debt monster to keep growing, the only natural thing to develop in the coming months is that people will do ANYTHING for cash. What happens when people DEMAND cash? Well you're able to charge them higher interest rates or else they face default.

Look at countrywide. Offering the best rates in the United States on 1-year CDs. I don't think it's a fluke. I think it's a signal for the direction that the market is heading. You either LOSE EVERYTHING or you accept the fact that you're going to have to pay out a high interest rate to survive in this market.

Cash is becoming king we have lived with so much dollar inflation in the past decade and more, I have the gut feeling that these things work in cycles and eventually we will have to STOP INFLATION and thus... interest rates will go up.

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CRAMER just joked about this on CNBC.............good call.

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I know it sounds like a doom and gloom idea but it appears that cash has become king in the market once again. There is SO MUCH DEBT out there. More debt than most people can imagine. Can somebody prove me wrong? Can somebody please tell me why overwhelming and unmanageable debt can somehow lead to economic growth in the long term? Well I CAN NOT. And because I see this debt monster to keep growing, the only natural thing to develop in the coming months is that people will do ANYTHING for cash. What happens when people DEMAND cash? Well you're able to charge them higher interest rates or else they face default.

Look at countrywide. Offering the best rates in the United States on 1-year CDs. I don't think it's a fluke. I think it's a signal for the direction that the market is heading. You either LOSE EVERYTHING or you accept the fact that you're going to have to pay out a high interest rate to survive in this market.

Cash is becoming king we have lived with so much dollar inflation in the past decade and more, I have the gut feeling that these things work in cycles and eventually we will have to STOP INFLATION and thus... interest rates will go up.

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So what do you recommend? Stay in cash I guess. BTW bond market says you're wrong.

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I learn from that one article of that kid to ignore posts with a lot of capital words.

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CASH is king boys.........

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Level?

You do know that the fed funds rate is set by Ben Bernanke and the Fed governors, and not by market forces, right?

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Look at countrywide. Offering the best rates in the United States on 1-year CDs. I don't think it's a fluke.

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They have to pay high rates in order to find people stupid enough to put money in their banks. They are broke and they are desperate for suckers to fund their business. I wouldn't leave one penny in their banks. They are going bust.

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Look at countrywide. Offering the best rates in the United States on 1-year CDs. I don't think it's a fluke.

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They have to pay high rates in order to find people stupid enough to put money in their banks. They are broke and they are desperate for suckers to fund their business. I wouldn't leave one penny in their banks. They are going bust.

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Actually deposits in the Countrywide Bank are federally insured up to $100,000.

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Level?

You do know that the fed funds rate is set by Ben Bernanke and the Fed governors, and not by market forces, right?

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I do. Do you know the the Fed funds rate is a tool the Federal Reserve uses to make sure they have the largest profit margin in the market they are in? As cash becomes more and more in demand the Fed will raise their rates to take advantage of people who are in desperate need for the cash and have no other options.

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No... the goal of the Fed is not to make profits on their lending, it's to guide the economy between recession and inflation by adjusting short term rates appropriately.

I will bet you any amount of money at 100:1 that the Fed does not raise rates at their next meeting.

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No... the goal of the Fed is not to make profits on their lending, it's to guide the economy between recession and inflation by adjusting short term rates appropriately.

I will bet you any amount of money at 100:1 that the Fed does not raise rates at their next meeting.

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you should make that bet on the market and make a lot of $$$

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No one in the market would be dumb enough to take that bet.

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CLASSIC THREAD

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Okay well I didn't mean for you to think that I could guess what they are going to do at the next meeting but I would take odds that the rate cut everybody is talking about is not coming. Then again I could be wrong but I would be willing to take a bet that rates aren't going down.

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Okay well I didn't mean for you to think that I could guess what they are going to do at the next meeting but I would take odds that the rate cut everybody is talking about is not coming. Then again I could be wrong but I would be willing to take a bet that rates aren't going down.

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You can do take this bet very easily by shorting the major indices..considering they have been going up on the assumption that rates are going down.

James

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Cash in USDollars is the ultimate unsecured debt instrument.

It's a promise to pay, backed by absolutely nothing of value.

See also:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...amp;btnG=Search

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Cash in USDollars is the ultimate unsecured debt instrument.

It's a promise to pay, backed by absolutely nothing of value.

See also:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...amp;btnG=Search

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This country is on the verge of decay.

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This country is on the verge of decay.

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That's been said since 1776.


Good Ghandi I love perma-bears like him.

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Promise to pay what? to who?

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Promise to pay what? to who?

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He is saying that every dollar is born out of debt. For every dollar created it comes with the assumption that it will be paid back to the creator in full plus interest obtained from someone else who also borrowed money. Putting the assumption aside that this means that there is not enough money to pay off the debt without taking out more debt to pay off the previous debt it also means that money is a promise to pay and doesn't have any real intrinsic value. Breaks down to money as an idea and not an object of value.

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money is a promise to pay

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I have a one dollar bill in my hand.
Who do I owe?
Who owes me?

I have one ounce of gold in my hands
Who do I owe?
Who owes me?

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money is a promise to pay

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I have a one dollar bill in my hand.
Who do I owe?
Who owes me?

I have one ounce of gold in my hands
Who do I owe?
Who owes me?

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When I said money I meant fiat money, dollar bills. I said when money is CREATED it's created as debt and is a promise to pay. When somebody gives you a dollar they didn't create it, they circulated it. If you follow the chain of events the dollar followed to its source, it came from a loan or a promise to pay.

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The real reason taxes are going to go up is the gazillion dollar deficit in Medicare and Social Security, but particularly Medicare.