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When playing Pot Limit Omaha, is it standard procedure to stack the chips in the center neatly or left in a messy pile?

We played PLO on a spur of the moment in a usually NL Holdem room and the dealers would just mound the chips in the center. When the pot got big, they constantly had to restack them when ever someone wanted to 'pot it'. It was pretty stupid for us not to catch on and save a bunch of time but it was one of those late ones.

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The chips should not be stacked, and dealers should not have to count the chips, they should know whats in the pot.

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The chips should not be stacked, and dealers should not have to count the chips, they should know whats in the pot.

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We played PLO on a spur of the moment in a usually NL Holdem room and the dealers would just mound the chips in the center. When the pot got big, they constantly had to restack them when ever someone wanted to 'pot it'. It was pretty stupid for us not to catch on and save a bunch of time but it was one of those late ones.

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Well this would be because they aren't used to having to count passed 40 for the rake anyways. And PLO is such an ultra rare game that this seems to be the way lots of inexperienced dealers will do it. It's not the right way, the posts above already show the right way.

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What's the problem with the chips being stacked besides the fact that it slows the game?

I'm just asking because I would be willing to play PLO and it's known to run around here from time to time, but I don't think most of the dealers are used to counting the pot beyond the rake limit.

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It's really not hard to count the pot...

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I would always estimate the pot myself by reconstructing the action and betting that amount rather than saying "pot". If you announce a bet amount that is a little over, no one is going to say anything.

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It's really not hard to count the pot...

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It's not hard to get a reasonable estimate. It's not hard for someone who isn't math challenged to reconstruct the action. Actually counting a mound of chips of assorted denominations is difficult.

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In a case where some nit claims you have overbet and wants it trimmed back, I assume the dealer would count/stack it at that point?

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Ya, I guess, but really the dealer is just supposed to know what's in the pot at all times... I've dealt PL games before and if you keep up w/ the action it's pretty easy...

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What's the problem with the chips being stacked besides the fact that it slows the game?

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Theft.

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In a case where some nit claims you have overbet and wants it trimmed back, I assume the dealer would count/stack it at that point?

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No, the dealer would trim it back if it was over or tell them it isn't over if it isn't over.

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What's the problem with the chips being stacked besides the fact that it slows the game?

I'm just asking because I would be willing to play PLO and it's known to run around here from time to time, but I don't think most of the dealers are used to counting the pot beyond the rake limit.

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Why does there need to be a reason beyond the fact that it slows the game? That seems like a huge reason to me.

If your dealer can count a pot to the rake limit he should be able to keep counting.

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Seriously, you (and obviously the dealer) should know how much is in the pot at all times. It isn't rocket science - it is simple arithmetic. Another fun issue comes up when players and the dealer and the floor all have different ideas of what constitutes a pot sized bet, but I digress.

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In a case where some nit claims you have overbet and wants it trimmed back, I assume the dealer would count/stack it at that point?

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No, the dealer would trim it back if it was over or tell them it isn't over if it isn't over.

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This would actually work in your cardroom? I think my bet is correctly sized. The complaining player thinks it isn't. The dealer just announces who's right and they accept it? What's the resolution if one of the players strongly feels the dealer is wrong?

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In a case where some nit claims you have overbet and wants it trimmed back, I assume the dealer would count/stack it at that point?

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No, the dealer would trim it back if it was over or tell them it isn't over if it isn't over.

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This would actually work in your cardroom? I think my bet is correctly sized. The complaining player thinks it isn't. The dealer just announces who's right and they accept it? What's the resolution if one of the players strongly feels the dealer is wrong?

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Well call the floor over, but in general every oen at the tabel knows how much is in the pot so the other players will tell either the player or the dealer that they are wrong about how much is in the pot.

edit to add: In my limited (probably about 150 hours) PL experience I have never seen a dispute about pot size that wasn't settled in about 2 seconds by the table.

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Sheesh, the OP said this isn't a usual PLO room, don't go killing the dealers for not having experience with PLO.

How does stacking the pot slow down the game? Stack it while action is going on for the next round. If it's a game new to the players, they'd probably appreciate it, too, and that way the new dealers won't have to start from zero after the inevitable interruption.

Theft? Really? In a conversation where people are saying everyone at the table plus a few from the next table over should know the exact pot at all times, nobody at the table will notice a discrepancy in a bunch of 20-stacks? C'mon, folks, pick a side and stick with it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Theft? Really? In a conversation where people are saying everyone at the table plus a few from the next table over should know the exact pot at all times, nobody at the table will notice a discrepancy in a bunch of 20-stacks? C'mon, folks, pick a side and stick with it.


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Since everyone knows how much should be there why would they count it before adding it to their stack? In general I want the dealer touching the pot as little as possible.

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Man this thread is forming many legs. Here are the facts:

- the dealers did not know the pot size at all times (forget about dealers should know, 3 of them did not but 1 of them did).
- the players did not volunteer pot size information except for 2 players (official pros), the rest were NL Holdem specialist players that were bored. (opinion -->) There probably were 3 others players who knew the pot size as well but didn't speak up.
- I assumed a messy pot slowed the game down and a neatly stacked pot would speed things up hence I wanted a neatly stacked pot to get more hands played
- I need to work on my game selection. I was with the ignorant NL Holdem pack

Next time this happens, I'm just gonna ask the dealer to leave the pot neatly stacked. Hopefully at this level, the house will let the 5/10 players do what they want. There wasn't any dispute of any kind but we wanted to get things right. At this level, there aren't as many 1/2 NL television know everything because they heard it from a reliable WSOP/WPT show. Sorry to throw that in, had to vent a little. I don't miss the 1/2 NL days.

Think of big boobs. Keeping it safe for work.

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When I have seen people that don't know how much is in the pot discuss playing PL they usually decide to play NL so they don't have to worry about counting the pot. I would also question the wisdom of a casino allowing PL to be spread when their dealers aren't able to count the pot. That also leads toa question about how they take the correct rake.

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Don't most NL players keep track of the pot, anyway?

Maybe I don't to the exact dollar, but it wouldn't be hard to do if I was concentrating (or dealing). I don't even think it's something I've practiced..it's just something that you want to know to size your bets, right?

I don't even consider myself a veteran NL player

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Don't most NL players keep track of the pot, anyway?


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No, but they should.