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cp 30 with straddles 7 handed...

straddler is bananabrain and i'm in bb with 77, folds to my bb and i 3-bet and we see a flop

Ac Kh 5s
i bet and he calls

8h
i bet, he raises and i 3-bet...

flame away

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1) banana knows that you would three bet preflop with just about any holding; 2) If he had an Ace he would have 4 bet you preflop; 3) He believes that this flop probably didn't hit you; 4) He plans on raising just about any turn card; 5) he may actually have an 8 in his hand in which case your reraise may get him to fold.

Now the question is what do you do if he four bets?

Assuming he doesn't you bet the river, right.

Are you guys buddies or just regular combatants?

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i don't know this game or that guy, so i vote for ugly. if he can do this with 72o and you can call down with 33 and be good, then that's fine, but then it's also probably too read-based to be of much use posting here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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If you dont believe him just get to sd. If you think he has a better, but weak made hand just dump it. These situations always end up with both players going to showdown with way too many bets going in the pot where it is not really worth the return.

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cp 30 with straddles 7 handed...

straddler is bananabrain and i'm in bb with 77, folds to my bb and i 3-bet and we see a flop

Ac Kh 5s
i bet and he calls

8h
i bet, he raises and i 3-bet...

flame away

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you were there. will he give you AK here?

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cp 30 with straddles 7 handed...

straddler is bananabrain and i'm in bb with 77, folds to my bb and i 3-bet and we see a flop

Ac Kh 5s
i bet and he calls

8h
i bet, he raises and i 3-bet...

flame away

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you were there. will he give you AK here?

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Bob, I wasnt there but I know Shipit's image and also BrainBanana's read on him. Brain will never fold a hand worth showing down in this spot.

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cp 30 with straddles 7 handed...

straddler is bananabrain and i'm in bb with 77, folds to my bb and i 3-bet and we see a flop

Ac Kh 5s
i bet and he calls

8h
i bet, he raises and i 3-bet...

flame away

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you were there. will he give you AK here?

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Bob, I wasnt there but I know Shipit's image and also BrainBanana's read on him. Brain will never fold a hand worth showing down in this spot.

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that is my impression as well. having a lagtardy image is fine if one knows when to apply it. this is not one of those times imo.

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a few of the thoughts and background...
- i am laggy and brain knows it
- brain raises the turn very often against me, with draws, air, and big made hands... i havent seen him do it with a marginal hand with showdown value thus far against me though...

i figured he would fold an 8, 5, sometimes a bad king, and a flush draw that makes a pair on the river...

the only big made hand that makes sense to me is 55, other hands pump it again preflop or raise the flop to see where they are... Q/J/T of hearts combo makes sense to me, i think a lot of his range is bottom pair or weak king trying to fsd

someone help my thought process pls

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a few of the thoughts and background...
- i am laggy and brain knows it

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this means he ain't folding anything ever so turning a hand with a touch of SD value into a bluff makes no sense. the end.

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bob, i appreciate the input... the reason i changed my vote at the table, and what i am now considering is that he knows i am a thinking player and so may lay some of the winners down... but i think our history outweighs that fact...

so, if i am not 3-betting with given history etc, do we like a call down on given board getting 1:4 by the river?

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i dont think he ever folds a hand that beats you (because he wouldnt raise an 8 on the turn) he probably either has a pretty good draw or else has you in trouble.

i think i would call and the probably call most rivers.

folding the turn is probably not horrible either depending on his mood, how youve both been running, playing etc.

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bob, i appreciate the input... the reason i changed my vote at the table, and what i am now considering is that he knows i am a thinking player and so may lay some of the winners down... but i think our history outweighs that fact...

so, if i am not 3-betting with given history etc, do we like a call down on given board getting 1:4 by the river?

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i know what you both had in this hand, so i can't make an impartial assessment. i can say, however, that this pot is way too big.

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agreed with pot size statement, prior to this hand i thought my 3-bet folding equity was higher - for those not in the know, i 3-bet the turn was called and fired when the river was an offsuit ten, i was called and mhig

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I knew the results of the hand to and though I dont like your line in this hand I wouldve liked even less had I not known the results. You were not going to get any productive criticism in this hand as it was mostly a read based play, but as Pbob has said you should not be making these type plays against opponents who know your style and have a profitable call down. Both of your reads were correct, but the hands could just as easily been reversed. Playing this way against good players only increases variance in spots where your edge isnt significant. If you had a taggish image I would call this play brilliant, except for the fact that this is a straddle pot and people are always suspicious that someone is making a play.

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if he calls the 3b what is your river plan?

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I knew you were full of [censored], too bad i'm a weakling and didn't 4 bet. when i called the river, you said "youre good", and then i started crying inside when you showed your hand. I'll learn how to play one of these days........

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oh i was going to chime in and say there wasnt a flush draw either.

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i like it mitch, i think the lack of fold equity is especially due to the straddle... when i originally started playing the 30 game i was tag and was able to use some of these strats because i hadn't shown cheese, now that i am seen as laggy i havent been able to go back!!! (been trying)

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ship it never overplays his hands... ever :]

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ship it never overplays his hands... ever :]

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Neither do you. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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i like it mitch, i think the lack of fold equity is especially due to the straddle... when i originally started playing the 30 game i was tag and was able to use some of these strats because i hadn't shown cheese, now that i am seen as laggy i havent been able to go back!!! (been trying)

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I actually dont consider you very loose at all, but you are definitely hyper-aggressive.

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how confident are you there wasn't a flush draw brain, i was sure there was until you said that, and my memory for suits is shady to say the least