3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

villian is 40/14 and pretty aggro/bad.

i chose to cr flop because he is gettin annoyed w/ me and it was a good way to inflate the pot.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $603.00
BB: $566.40
Hero (UTG): $1,013.65
MP: $1,179.60
CO: $528.95
BTN: $633.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $21.00</font>, MP calls $21.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($51) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $36.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $159.00</font>, MP calls $123.00

Turn: ($369) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $288.00</font>, MP calls $288.00

River: ($945) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero checks</font>

he has ~500 on river. i think he will shove a 10 here if i check and this allows him to bluff whiffed draws.

thoughts on this as opposed to shoving?

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

hi five

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

i think you make more value betting JJ or A9 or whatever pair he wants to look you up with since all draws bricked off. there's no guarantee he shoves half pot with a whiffed draw if you check. with half pot stacks you have to be pretty sure he'll bluff to not bet since you'll get looked up so lightly

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

Honestly I just push the turn here often... given that he is annoyed with you.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

since you say he's aggro i like it. most 40/14 type guys i wouldnt.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

wpr what is the point of that.... bet 900 into 300???

kratzer hes prob the std 40/14 guys.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

If he will shove a ten here the he will call off a ten here as well. Is his range polarized to T/FD?

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

I like it. I think you do a lot better going for the checkraise here. IMO, it's very very rare a 40/15 aggro/bad who's annoyed with you passes up the chance of bluffing you in a $1000 pot when it's been checked to him on a river scare card for what looks like you're overpair.

A9 is the only hand you maybe losing value from but that's is def. over weighed by missing draws here.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

This is good.

He shoves a ten because he thinks he sucked out against an overpair and wants to double up (in his mind) or he shoves because he realizes he put in a lot of money and that he can potentially bluff the ten in the hopes that hero was drawing or will be scared by the ten.

I like it a lot.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

if you had like 1200 left on the river I would like it, i don't really see why to do it with 500 left though as it seems more likely he has a worse made hand he will call a shove with and also check behind than he has a missed draw that he decides to bluff 1/2pot with

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

if you check, tank first so it looks like you're scared of the T.

and yea, check seems like a good play here, i think you've got the right read on his range (busted draw/T). he might even donk-shove JJ or A9 or something else, rex grossman style.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

I don't like it.
I guess against this donk is better to shove river.
Because he's NEVER folding a ten anyway, plus if he feels bluffed would call with some hands that check behind river (A9,K9,77-88).

Obv I'm assuming villain is a big donk; without this assumption checking river is fine.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

i actually shoved the river because of what you just said zio_slim and he folded. i think he had a whiffed draw, but before i shoved i thought about checking beacuse i thought it woulda been sick if he jammed a draw, but instead i woulda felt stupid if he checked back so i just jammed and put him to a decision for all his chips ! lol

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

I like check here. He definately won't expect the c/r if you get it, and the river c/r could appear to be a bluff and get him to shove. Also, if you both check it may discourage a few bluffs in the future when you're in marginal spots because he'll have seen you check the nuts to him.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

i like a check

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

I likes this a lot.

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Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

Dont' like it. Pretty much what Josh said. You'll get looked up by 66 here. Its better to check if you bet less on turn.

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I like it. I think you do a lot better going for the checkraise here. IMO, it's very very rare a 40/15 aggro/bad who's annoyed with you passes up the chance of bluffing you in a $1000 pot when it's been checked to him on a river scare card for what looks like you're overpair.

A9 is the only hand you maybe losing value from but that's is def. over weighed by missing draws here.

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ya i actually like it a lot too.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

Yeah I love a river check, he will bluff this river a decent amount with a missed draw because he can so easily rep a T trying to get you off an overpair or something.

You lose value specifically against stuff like 9x or JJ or something, but most of his range is draws I think and if he is overaggro you definitely should check the river. Some donks will like never ever bluff this river when they miss their draw. Checking clearly is bad vs them since their bluffing frequency is sooo low, but here it's a perfect spot imo.

Re: 3/6 NL -- kinda deep river check vs fish.
 

donks dont really bluff on rivers much. bet it.