Stud High - River Play against two players
 

I can't put either of these players on a hand. Seat 2 has been calling my completions with a number of questionable hands. Given the action on 4th, I bet out 5th with the hope that seat 2 will raise seat 7 out of there/know how boned I am. Without the raise, I figure I'm not crushed by trips or anything here (slight concern I'm being slow rolled).

What's my river play when I hit two pair and both of these pesky guys have hung on until now...

what about if I don't improve?


7 Card Stud High ($1/$2), Ante $0.20, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.45 SB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls

5th Street - (8.23 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (11.23 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

River - (14.23 BB)

Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Seat 7: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Total pot: (14.23 BB - $28.45)

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

You've been the aggressor thru out the hand, so keep driving the bus....BET

Seat 2's raises on 4th, then go into call down mode, don't make a lot of sense. Alot of times at this level, they will pull a stunt like this when they hit a pair w/a draw of some kind or just an outright bluff.

Seat 7 appears to have 1 gear...call. I wouldn't be surprised if he called you all the way down with split 6's.

You're probably good unless one of them lucked into trips or a small straight.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

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You're probably good unless one of them lucked into trips or a small straight.

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I guess thats the real question...whatever they are drawing at, i'm probably good enough of the time against them individually, but what about when you put them together against me?

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

Id keep it on the gas. My guess is you are up against 10s up and maybe a straight draw. Id bet.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

1.) Why are you playing $1-$2, I thought you normally played higher?
2.) Seat 7 is a moron.
3.) If 4th street did not exist in this hand, I would advocate a bet/fold on the river as you will likely be called by worse hands given the action and only raised by hands that have you completely crushed. However, given your 4th street action, you could hvae easily convinced seat 2 that you are beating the crap out of him. He might have just simmered with trips. Given that this small, I still think bet/fold is the way to go.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

This is true. But you are forgetting 2 factors . . 1) what is the chance that they call you with something other than the hand they are drawing to- 2 small pair , one pair, etc and you get paid off. 2) Seat 2 likely isn't drawing given the 4th street action, 2 pair seems much more likely. 3) the chance that you get called in both spots by worse hands, which happens a decent amount at this level

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

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1.) Why are you playing $1-$2, I thought you normally played higher?


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donking around at work in this case while writing a motion. donking around playing at all in general since I got booted off crypto...haven't really been playing much at all and haven't quite gotten comfortable playing at FT or stars yet, in large part because I havent played much....chicken and the egg.

I have reapplied myself to heavy drinking since the law though, so that's something [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

I'm writing an order right now. Judicial clerkship. 75 hour week. Bad mood. Heavy drinking is a requirement.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

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I'm writing an order right now. Judicial clerkship. 75 hour week. Bad mood. Heavy drinking is a requirement.

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ouch. somehow I luckboxed into the not-even 40 hour a week job, working for a solo older guy who comes in from about 10:30-3 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Speaking of that, its time to go home.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

They will call with a lot more hands you beat if you bet than they will bet if you check, so bet. You also are unlikely to get raised since it looks like you could have a flush going down as well.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

Given the action on 4th street, I think you can squarely put Seat #2 on one of four hands: trip 8s, Ts over 8s, rolled TTT, or 4 card straight (8,9,T,J seeming the most likely). More interesting, however, is Seat #7's calling two bets cold... not just once but twice! The only hands I can put him on that make any sense at all are trip 3s, rolled-up 666 or 3,4,5,6.

Although I like your betting-out on 5th street, it's not really for the reason you cited inasmuch as I would doubt that Seat #7 could be raised out of the hand now after his 4th street calls unless either you and/or Seat #2 showed marked improvement on 5th street. Since neither of you improved, I think your expectation that Seat #7 would fold to a raise is over-optimistic. However, IMO your bet is a good one because it should give you a better idea regarding Seat #2's and Seat #7's actual holdings. Since neither raise you, I think it makes it less likely that either is holding trips. Thus, I think you now can assume you are up against Ts and 8s or a medium straight draw, and a small straight draw.

Given their bricks on 6th, your bet is OK, although I could see a case being made for checking here and calling one bet if either of them makes it.

I think you ought to bet the river. Inasmuch as there is the possibility they could have put you on a heart flush draw, in addition to As over Js back on 4th street, I'd be a little surprised if either of them would raise you on the river even if they hit straights, and I think there is a good enough chance that one or both of them will pay you off if they only have smaller two pairs, whereas I think it less likely that either would bet into you with only two pairs if you checked.

Re: Stud High - River Play against two players
 

Even against decent opposition I'd bet this river.