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Button is 33/22/3 and not horrible. Sb is loose and likes to donk from what ive seen so far. Anyone raise the turn or river?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero

Re: I play like a girl
 

Nh

If I raise anywhere its on the river when a SD is cheaper to reach for his pp's, its easier for me to fold to a 3-bet and my line looks the most like BS.

Re: I play like a girl
 

I don't think I raise at all, but if I do it's on the river. The trouble with raising is that I don't think I can lay it down to a 3 bet against an aggressive opponent like this. Plus, if this guy doesn't have a queen he is often barreling with nothing and will fold to a raise. If he does have a queen I think we all know what happens. I say call.

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I would just go ahead and raise/calldown the turn. I like the flop play because button is probably drawing very slim. After he gets out of there, I think you pass up too much value by not raising the turn. This will be a flush draw or small pp very often imo. Unless you have seem him make this play with air into a preflop 3bettor, he will have something that's at least seeing the river, if not showing down a lot. Since he is relatively unknown, I cannot fold this hand to a 3bet.

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I play it like this as well. This guy looks decent, which lowers the value of a raise in my opinion. He might be doing this with A high or a small pp, but he will probably fold those to any raise.

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I play it like this as well. This guy looks decent, which lowers the value of a raise in my opinion. He might be doing this with A high or a small pp, but he will probably fold those to any raise.

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I play it like this as well. This guy looks decent, which lowers the value of a raise in my opinion. He might be doing this with A high or a small pp, but he will probably fold those to any raise.

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Yaaaa, okay, I am like the raise more then. This line is a small pp a lot of the time. They will call a river raise too because your line is strange and people don't like to fold.

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I play it like this as well. This guy looks decent, which lowers the value of a raise in my opinion. He might be doing this with A high or a small pp, but he will probably fold those to any raise.

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Yaaaa, okay, I am like the raise more then. This line is a small pp a lot of the time. They will call a river raise too because your line is strange and people don't like to fold.

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Easily the best value play is a raise on the river, if he's bluffing all the way he will fold to the raise but we don't want him to stop firing. Plus this line looses the least to a Q.

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I play it like this as well. This guy looks decent, which lowers the value of a raise in my opinion. He might be doing this with A high or a small pp, but he will probably fold those to any raise.

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Yaaaa, okay, I am like the raise more then. This line is a small pp a lot of the time. They will call a river raise too because your line is strange and people don't like to fold.

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Easily the best value play is a raise on the river, if he's bluffing all the way he will fold to the raise but we don't want him to stop firing. Plus this line looses the least to a Q.

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so you guys are actually going to raise/fold the river vs a loose unknown flop donker?

Re: I play like a girl
 

I think we should raise/call the turn here. Guy donking that flop and betting the turn has a flushdraw, mid pocket pair, or a 3 way more than he has a queen and a player like you describe will call (or even possibly 3-bet) all of those hands on the turn and will likely pay off a river bet with any pair because you obviously have a flush draw yourself.

Just calling down on this board is leaving lots of money on the table IMO

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Also you lose some value when he's making a retarded 3 way bluff with total air that he would 3 barrel if you just call but I don't think it's enough to make calling the turn superior to raising it

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Also you lose some value when he's making a retarded 3 way bluff with total air that he would 3 barrel if you just call but I don't think it's enough to make calling the turn superior to raising it

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This is why I like waiting for the river.

If he has a huge bluff donk range I dont want to let him get away already on the turn. And these idiots usually 3 barrel so raising on the river will make him 3 barrel but still get that value out of a pp or if he paired up. Also, the longer we wait with raising the higher the probability he picks up a pair with his K high bluff.


I didnt mention what to do if he 3-bets the river but I hope I will be able to fold. Altho it will be tough in the heat of the moment. But I do like raise folding more on the river than on the turn. Cant explain why tho

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But I do like raise folding more on the river than on the turn. Cant explain why tho

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well, I always think about raise/folding on the river as safer because you have no outs on the river. I still like raise/calling the turn because he will chicken out and c/c Ax or sometimes his pp on the river when he might call down from the turn. I think an unknown is more likely to spew on the turn with a flush draw or whatever because he thinks you might be re-bluffing him and he knows he has outs anyway...

meh I duno its close, but there def should be a raise somewhere and never any folding

Re: I play like a girl
 

Agree on the raise somewhere part. I also think it should be on turn or river

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If I raise anywhere its on the river when a SD is cheaper to reach for his pp's, its easier for me to fold to a 3-bet and my line looks the most like BS.

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Agreed but if your line looks like BS, that makes it harder to fold to a 3-bet vs. some donk.

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Nh

If I raise anywhere its on the river when a SD is cheaper to reach for his pp's, its easier for me to fold to a 3-bet and my line looks the most like BS.

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Agreed but if your line looks like BS, that makes it harder to fold to a 3-bet vs. some donk.

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Good point. I need to remember that