NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

SB is 20/11/1 over 150 raked hands

flop check ok?
what to do on river?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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BTN: $62.85
SB: $79.90
Hero (BB): $117.75
UTG: $145.85
UTG+1: $37.30
UTG+2: $83.15
MP1: $33.70
MP2: $108.35
CO: $66.20

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
7 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>, SB calls $7

Flop: ($22) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $13</font>, Hero calls $13

River: ($48) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $31</font>, Hero ???

Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

Call again. From his perspective, it looks like you have Kings or Queens.

Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace. SB took control of the hand on the turn and now you have a very tough decision on the river.

he has an ace, you are playing for a split here, or he has u crushed with AJ+.

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace.

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The reason I check the flop is to try to keep the pot smaller. Hes not super aggressive and if he had AJ+ and just calls I still wouldn't know where I stand.
If I bet flop, do I fold to a c/r?

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If you're going for pure value here by checking, you have to call whatever on the turn/river. You got him betting inyo you with TP in a 3bet pot, is this not what you wanted?

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Flop check is good cause you either WA/WB. He probably c/fs all non A/7 hands to a flop bet so checking allows him to bluff later streets and you to lose less when your behind

Id probably call river cause Im a station

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace. SB took control of the hand on the turn and now you have a very tough decision on the river.

he has an ace, you are playing for a split here, or he has u crushed with AJ+.

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bleh

check behind is perfect on the flop. It's a WA/WB situation. If you're betting, you're just hoping that he's got a weaker A. SB absolutely does not have "control of the hand" here, because we know we're good most of the time, but betting is only marginally +EV. Tough decision on the river? No, it's an insta-call because it was setup perfectly by the flop check.

If we bet the flop and got called, THEN we would have a tough decision.

Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

Call river. Betting the flop is pretty bad IMO. Who cares if "sb took control of the hand"? Being a TAG is not about being aggressive all the time.

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Call river. Betting the flop is pretty bad IMO. Who cares if "sb took control of the hand"? Being a TAG is not about being aggressive all the time.

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ty.

Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

I like the flop check, but I'm not sure about what to do on the river. Villain is passive...do you really think he's bluffing here? This really looks like AJAQAK to me. River agg factor would help here a lot. In my experience, this is a call at 100 and a fold at 200 because villains bluff river a lot more at 100. Either way it's close, so what you do doenst matter all that much.

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This hand is played perfectly if you now call river. No need to bet that flop, absolutely MUST call the turn as played and should USUALLY call the river without a specific read or very worrying Hud stat to suggest otherwise.

Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

Flop check should be meant to extract value. As such, you should be calling turn and river.

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Flop check is good cause you either WA/WB. He probably c/fs all non A/7 hands to a flop bet so checking allows him to bluff later streets and you to lose less when your behind

Id probably call river cause Im a station

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I snap-called river and Villain showed AQo for higher kicker. I went back to check and his AF was slightly less than 1 so I wasn't really sure.

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I really like the way you played it, I think river is an easy call since you induced him to bet into you.

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Call river after flop check.

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I assume everyone who says call would play KK exactly the same way here?

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I assume everyone who says call would play KK exactly the same way here?

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nah, I'd fold KK on the river sometimes, but never folding this hand.

Re: NL100: blind battle flopped aces up line check
 

Shouldn't we fire at this flop with KK too?

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Flop check should be meant to extract value. As such, you should be calling turn and river.

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As for firing with KK, for me it's villain dependent. If i thought the villain was the type to bluff the ace on later streets then i would check and just let them fire. Usually i'm betting this though for around 2/3 pot with most of my 3 betting range

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace.

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The reason I check the flop is to try to keep the pot smaller. Hes not super aggressive and if he had AJ+ and just calls I still wouldn't know where I stand.
If I bet flop, do I fold to a c/r?

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By 3betting pre-flop you've already started to build a big pot. I agree with Brimstead. If I'm 3betting pre I'm going to bet the flop when I hit. If he comes over the top you get away from it.

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Jeez bet/folding this flop is so bad.

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if u r going to 3bet PF then make it at least $12.
Bet that flop, you hit your ace.

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The reason I check the flop is to try to keep the pot smaller. Hes not super aggressive and if he had AJ+ and just calls I still wouldn't know where I stand.
If I bet flop, do I fold to a c/r?

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By 3betting pre-flop you've already started to build a big pot. I agree with Brimstead. If I'm 3betting pre I'm going to bet the flop when I hit. If he comes over the top you get away from it.

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this is not sound. If you bet it should be to bet/call imo.