50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

No History on villain, this orbit he has seemed to be active. The speed on the min raise of the flop felt like he was making a move. Was this a donkey play or actually playing on a read?

Also, I don't usually raise A-10o in this spot, but I felt with my position and with the limper that I could take down some easy monies. I'm trying to work more in positional aggression into my game. Is this a bad spot?

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($75.28)
SB ($41.35)
BB ($39.85)
UTG ($44.25)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($107.05)</font>
MP2 ($50.15)
<font color="#C00000">Landlord79 ($51.15)</font>

Preflop: Landlord79 is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Landlord79 raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($5.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Landlord79 bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $8</font>, Landlord79 calls $4.

Turn: ($21.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Landlord79 checks.

River: ($21.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $10</font>, Landlord79 calls $10.

Final Pot: $41.25

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP1 has ...
Landlord79 has Tc Ad (two pair, tens and fives).
Outcome: ... wins $41.25. </font>

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

fold pf

as played, fold to min raise

as played, fold to river

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

I like the raise PF. I fold to the min-raise probably.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

Fold preflop. Def fold to the flop raise. Ironically, I don't mind your river call. He could have a smaller overpair like 88/99, top pair like 65 or bottom two which are counterfeited now...

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

I think I play this hand identically.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

Good grief there are some nits on here. How can someone fold A10 in the HJ on a 7 handed table.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

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Good grief there are some nits on here. How can someone fold A10 in the HJ on a 7 handed table.

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Because ATos sucks big style.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

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Good grief there are some nits on here. How can someone fold A10 in the HJ on a 7 handed table.

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Because ATos sucks big style.

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I'm not playing my cards at this point, I'm playing my position. I can't just play the top ten hands plus some SC's and the PP's, I'll get way too predictable. Any read the Shania thread lately? It may need to be reviewed.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

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Good grief there are some nits on here. How can someone fold A10 in the CO on a 7 handed table.

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Because ATos sucks big style.

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It may suck multiway, but from the CO I am raising this with one limper 100% of the time. RAISY DAISY!!

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

I raise ATo from the CO against almost all opponents. I raise KTo from the cutoff and sometimes I raise QTo from the CO, It depends on the situation and the people left to act.

I think you played this hand well and I think MP1 probably had 77,88,99.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

Well, then I guess this is something personal between ATos and me...Still, there are LOTS of hands I would raise here with due to position, ATos is just (mostly) not one of it.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

I think the blinds must have been nitty too, which is a prerequisite for this hand to be a raising hand from the HJ.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

Thought HJ was position before CO?

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

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Thought HJ was position before CO?

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Even better, I was in the cutoff!

Anyway, the villain turned over J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the flopped MP. I wasn't sure if I played this hand badly or if I made a good read. Given the read of the villain insta-ck raising, I think the better play would have been to bet the turn.

I say this because in PNL they talk about the levels of play where the first is that the Hero thinks that the villain has nothing and decides to play his overcards. The second level is "I'm getting good odds (4 to 1 here w/ a gutter and 2 overcards) and will try to draw out." The third/ highest level being that you recognize that the villain is making a move and you make a move to push them off the pot on the flop or the turn.

I think my play was somewhere between 2 and 3, but probably closer toward 2. I need to improve.

Re: 50NL- OverCds on wheel flop vs ck-min raise
 

I don't think a fold preflop is very good here. You are sitting in the CO with a reasonable hand. You could limp it in, but don't fold it.

I think you should bet the turn as you probably have some fold equity here even though he c/r you on the flop. If does it again on the turn you can easily fold.