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Anybody seen this yet?
from the NVG thread:

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Re: WCOOP Main Event - winner under investigation [Re: Zambuzi]
#12508493 - 10/15/07 08:32 AM
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The investigation into the WCOOP Main Event has now been concluded.

We have determined, based on the totality of evidence, that the tournament winner “TheV0id” was in breach of the PokerStars Terms of Service.

In the interests of Game Integrity, “TheV0id” has been disqualified from first place.

All other WCOOP Main Event prizewinners in addition to the player who originally bubbled in 415th place will therefore advance one place in the prize pool. The necessary financial adjustments to reflect the revised tournament places will be made within the next 24 hours.

Please note that we are unable to release further details of this investigation, for reasons of confidentiality and privacy.

Stephen W.
Manager, PokerStars Game Security

Edited by PStarsStephenW (10/15/07 08:33 AM)

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Was there a deal at the final table?

Good to see this got handled.

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what did he do?

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That is absolutely [censored] awesome. My huge props to Stars for their investigation and catching that multi accounting cheating piece of [censored].

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yep, awesome. super congrats to Ka$ino.

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Was there a deal at the final table?

Good to see this got handled.

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1st place and 2nd place locked up 200k, so 2nd and 3rd get like 400k out of this.

Sick, 3rd was Rousso. So rigged.

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Isnt it somewhat ironic the account was "thevoid" ??? LOLOLOLOLOL

Didnt someone from here finish 415?

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wowwwwwwwwwww way to go stars

it'd be great if the guy who got 2nd hadn't heard anything about this and woke up this morning with 600k more or whatever in his account

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u guys don't think he should keep some of it.. after all he did win the fkn thing. that's got to be worth something.

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u guys don't think he should keep some of it.. after all he did win the fkn thing. that's got to be worth something.

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Absolutely not. I'm not sure how this is even a question.

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u guys don't think he should keep some of it.. after all he did win the fkn thing. that's got to be worth something.

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Is this a serious question?

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u guys don't think he should keep some of it.. after all he did win the fkn thing. that's got to be worth something.

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nope. maybe I'll congratulate him on his victory when I see him next.

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pretty sure anyone could win a major if they had 3-4 extra lives

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pretty sure anyone could win a major if they had 3-4 extra lives

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Weird Adam says the same thing about fingers and then laughs at us when we struggle.

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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Is that official? which is the link? was it multiaccounting on the tourney the reason?

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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I know what you mean, even with 3 or 4 accounts its still a fantastic achievement to win a tournament so big. Whether he had chips dumped to him I don't know but he still doesn't deserve any money.

But still you have to admit winning it took skill on that single account on a tough final table

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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wtf?

Does Marion Jones deserve to keep 1 of her medals?

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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wtf?

Does Marion Jones deserve to keep 1 of her medals?

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LOL, that was my first example I thought of.

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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wtf?

Does Marion Jones deserve to keep 1 of her medals?

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LOL, that was my first example I thought of.

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Well, Barry Bonds does get to keep his home runs....

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I think the online poker world got a huge warning after the jjprodigy/zeejustin event. If you do it after that you pretty much know the risks involved.

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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this obv doesn't apply but i get ur point.

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how did they find out? did someone rat him out? was it common knowledge that he did this?

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pretty sure anyone could win a major if they had 3-4 extra lives

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Weird Adam says the same thing about fingers and then laughs at us when we struggle.

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This is gold.

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which is the link to nvg?

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I think the online poker world got a huge warning after the jjprodigy/zeejustin event. If you do it after that you pretty much know the risks involved.

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Obviously, since it CONTINUES to happen all the time.

gg online poker

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this is awesome, but I don't see why they aren't paying any back to me.

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I think we need to get one more cheater exposed to ge Exit ITM. Gogogogo.

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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wtf?

Does Marion Jones deserve to keep 1 of her medals?

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LOL, that was my first example I thought of.

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Well, Barry Bonds does get to keep his home runs....

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Bonds has not been proven guilty or failed a test administered by major league baseball. Additionally, even if you found he took steroids from 1991 - 2002, there was no clear rule against it in baseball. In other words, Bonds has not been proven to violate baseballs equivalent to a TOC. Sure, Bonds looks guilty. But you have to prove his guilt before you can punish him. Pokerstars would not have disqualified the Void based on anecdotal evidence. I am assuming they had indisputable evidence that he cheated. There is a big difference between anecdotal and tangible proof.

As far as letting him keep some money. That's nuts. Multi-accounting is a clear violation of TOC. Letting them keep money sets a precedent that would encourage more cheating. Matters such as this require swift resolution and no leniency. The success of online gambling depends on trust between the players and players, as well as the players and sites. If there is even a hint of impropriety it will drive away the average consumer in droves. The sites have a responsibility to protect that trust.

Was his final table performance good? Sure. But it doesn't matter. He most likely would not have been there without using an unfair advantage that is clearly classified as illegal. It's not fair to the other players who played the tourney that day. And it is simply against the rules.

Good job Pokerstars.

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This Lee Jones article right before the WCOOP was a warning.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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definately

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This Lee Jones article right before the WCOOP was a warning.

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who's he talking about, name drop plz

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I think the online poker world got a huge warning after the jjprodigy/zeejustin event. If you do it after that you pretty much know the risks involved.

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Ya exactly

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the void busted me two spots away from the bubble, but i get nothing ?

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having all of it taken away is too extreme considering that it was probably done by quite a few people and winning that tournament is a feat even if he had 4 or 5 lives. he deserves 5 or 10%, imo.

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So when someone robs a bank and then gets caught should they get to keep 5-10% of the money they stole for going through all the hassle of actually robbing it?

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Cmon, thats not a comparison at all, itd be much more like insider trading than robbing a bank(still not really a proper comparison but w/e)

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technically shouldn't everyone who entered get some compensation?

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technically shouldn't everyone who entered get some compensation?

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absolutely, gp's post is an excellent example of why.

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technically shouldn't everyone who entered get some compensation?

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Truthfully, yes but 2 things: 1) it's bad for poker to overly publicize this. 2) everyone who entered did get compensation.

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Frankly, I don't want a couple thousand casual HSMTT players receiving an email saying essentially online poker is rigged. The fact that the guy got caught makes me very happy, but the story as a whole, regardless of the ending, is not a good thing for online poker (when the papers report that the cops broke up a huge child pedophilia ring, it makes parents in the community fear for their children' safety more than ever).

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But yea, that really isn't the players' prob, and PR or the good of the game isn't a good enough reason to withhold from players the compensation to which they are entitled. However, in truth, if you wanna get nice and nitty, all players did receive some compensation, the same compensation in fact: Every player moved up one spot, that's their compensation. Now, for ka$ino that means an extra 700k, for alkemizt that means going from bubbleboy to the money (3k), for Exit that means moving up 416 to 415 (0$) and for Samuel032 that means moving up from 2998th to 2997th (0$). While the $ amounts are different for different players, the compensation is technically exactly the same.

Edit: Obv this doesn't mean if I were someone like g-p I wouldn't send stars an email asap and follow through. Of course you get ninto the prob of what about the players Void busted throughout the tournament, from the first hour to ITM, because of g-p deserves extra compensation for being busted by the cheat on the bubble so does whoever he busted in hour 1, and whoever he busted ITM (except Kasino). Russo for instance, regardless of winning 700k now was still cheated out of the chance to play HU for the championship by being busted by the Void, is g-p deserves compensation above and beyond being moved up one spot so does Russo and everyone else Void busted. Of course it puts Stars in a very tricky spot, but that's their prob not the players.

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just thought of something else....

i wonder if he had more than one account make the money? it might be that more than person who finished outside the money will receive something because of this