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If you MUST chat/talk to someone, leave the table and use your cell phone for a while --- STOP INITIATING CONVERSATION with the dealer!!

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As long as the dealer is sharp and not making mistakes AND your not playing at a time charge table, there is no reason why the dealer cannot be chatty.

Some dealers can be quite amusing. And I find a lot of players while winning like to chat with the dealer UNTIL they start losing and then it's SHUT UP DEALER !!!!

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Why not talk with the dealer? So long as you're not being a dick, what's the problem?

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As long as the dealer is sharp and not making mistakes AND your not playing at a time charge table, there is no reason why the dealer cannot be chatty.

Some dealers can be quite amusing. And I find a lot of players while winning like to chat with the dealer UNTIL they start losing and then it's SHUT UP DEALER !!!!

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My experience is that most dealers start making mistakes when they talk, and that the bad dealers are more likely to engage in conversation. I have on more than one occasion seen 20-40 players start chatting up obviously green dealers with questions like, "When did you start working here?" "What did you do before?" It puts the dealer in a bad position and absolutely kills the game.

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Of course players should know when it is appropriate to talk to a dealer and which dealer it is appropriate to talk to -- but talking to dealers is no problem and often keeps the game friendly and loose. There are competent dealers that can talk and deal at the same time and their are incompetent dealers that will never deal well.

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Of course players should know when it is appropriate to talk to a dealer and which dealer it is appropriate to talk to -- but talking to dealers is no problem and often keeps the game friendly and loose. There are competent dealers that can talk and deal at the same time and their are incompetent dealers that will never deal well.

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I'll always say hello to dealers that I see often...just common courtesy. I won't engage them in conversation except during breaks (either MTT breaks or if I catch them off a table), I just let them work.

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I'll chat with the dealers too but never during the middle of a hand. The dealers also will know where the fish are & which table is juiciest, so it pays to be friendly.

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I can understand not slowing down the game or distracting the dealer but relax. The dealer is throwing cards for 8 hours. If they are enjoying their job they will be better at it and the better ones will stay. To have a job where you are around people all day but are not interacting with them would be depressing. You wouldn't keep the good ones and the crappy ones who couldn't keep a job anywhere else would stay.

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I KNOW THE DEALERS NAME, IM COOLER/BETTER\LOOK BETTER IN SUNGLASSES THAN YOU

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Jesus, loosen up; God forbid that someone who YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST actually wants to chat, have a little fun, talk, and maybe, just maybe, not pay attention to what you are doing? Think about it...

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I play for both money and recreation. A loose, chatty game better meets both goals. I often chat with other players and dealers. Other players will either 1) join in the chat, 2) ignore the chat, or 3) get irritated by the chat. Numbers 1 and 3 are +EV for me. Number 2 is neutral.

Additionally, it is not unusual for a dealer to pass me by and suggest I take a look at this table or that because the game is particularly good.

I plan to keep chatting.

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If you MUST chat/talk to someone, leave the table and use your cell phone for a while --- STOP INITIATING CONVERSATION with the dealer!!

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Your bugged out. I actually prefer the games were people talk. This actually works better in NL games. You also pick up on things about people's games and how much they know if you talk. You also learn things from people that aren't poker related too. If you play NLH, talking/chatting with everybody(distraction) is an aspect of the game. If you sat there and didn't chat to anybody(which to me shows you are geared towards busting me and everybody at the table) I'd watch you like a hawk. Boring tables break quicker. Its just not fun.

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If you MUST chat/talk to someone, leave the table and use your cell phone for a while --- STOP INITIATING CONVERSATION with the dealer!!

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I hear that you can play poker on the internet-thingy if you hate people, and can even turn off the chat-thingy.

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Of course players should know when it is appropriate to talk to a dealer and which dealer it is appropriate to talk to -- but talking to dealers is no problem and often keeps the game friendly and loose. There are competent dealers that can talk and deal at the same time and their are incompetent dealers that will never deal well.

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For you information, the dealer is not supposed to talking-period. The dealer is behind the box to deal the cards, and speak to customers to the extent of running the game properly.

I understand there are persons with private issues, who can't stop chatting. However, some of them are running it into the ground, chatting non-stop, with every dealer.

The excessive chatting thing has nothing to do with "dealer experience". When an incident occurs and the dealer has to reconstruct the scenario for floor, any dealer who was chatting and trying to remember "what his brother-in-law said about the paint job on the---" is going to have a problem, because things occur so quickly in a poker game.

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I hope that the dealers on this site chime in. I have dealt casino parties, and yes, part of that job is to act freindly toward all of the costomers. I have seen dealers taht can talk all day and not make a mistake, and dealer very fast. I don't know about you, but if I was dealing for the past 5 years I would think that I could deal in my sleep.

You know also that George Bush passed the UIGA, right? If it wasn't for that, you wouldn't need to talk to anyone.

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For you information, the dealer is not supposed to talking-period.

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Show me in any casino rule book in any state where it says that, and I'll give you a gold star. Until then you will just have to live with the fact that your out of touch with society, dealers, and card room management policies.

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For you information, the dealer is not supposed to talking-period.

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Show me in any casino rule book in any state where it says that, and I'll give you a gold star. Until then you will just have to live with the fact that your out of touch with [b]society, dealers, and card room management policies.[b/]

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2 of the 3 are right.
Guess which one isn't.

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When I'm dealing I feel it is important to talk to be social, but not talk incessantly. With regulars it is often important to show that you remember who they are, and you appreciate them at the table and their tips. However there are many times the dealer should not be talking at the table, during opening action or when someone is being put to a big decision for a lot of money for example. However if you do not talk at these times, and when others try to address the dealer, I often nod, or give a quick, "one second", and the players eventually get a feel for when they should be talking. As long as dealers and players follow common etiquite I see no problem with players and dealers conversing.

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I hope I am the same table as the OP one day. I will go on a joke-telling marathon. Oh wait, I don't play the nanostakes this nit plays so nvm then.

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If you MUST chat/talk to someone, leave the table and use your cell phone for a while --- STOP INITIATING CONVERSATION with the dealer!!

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OMG PEOPLE ARE HAVING FUN PLAYING POKER WTF!!!! WHAT KIND OF PLACE IS THIS?!!!?

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My experience is that most dealers start making mistakes when they talk, and that the bad dealers are more likely to engage in conversation. I have on more than one occasion seen 20-40 players start chatting up obviously green dealers with questions like, "When did you start working here?" "What did you do before?" It puts the dealer in a bad position and absolutely kills the game.


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Bad impression. The worst games I have ever played at have all been the most quiet.


My friend is a recreational player. He has gone to casinos in several places, but he said the best casino he had been to was the local one in my town. I asked him why? He said because the dealers talk and make jokes and make him feel welcome. He said he enjoyed gambling there because he would get the most for his money and that when he went to the bigger casinos the dealers were too damn serious.

To the 2 or 3 nits who responded to this thread and started the thread. NO ONE CARES IF YOU GET TO PLAY 40 HANDS PER HOUR INSTEAD OF 35 IF THE DEALER DOESNT TALK.

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For you information, the dealer is not supposed to talking-period.

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Show me in any casino rule book in any state where it says that, and I'll give you a gold star. Until then you will just have to live with the fact that your out of touch with society, dealers, and card room management policies.

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No. It is you, who is out of touch, because you know nothing of poker tradition. Give me a "gold star" for the origin of the oft mentioned phrase, "SHUT UP AND DEAL", if you believe I created poker game etiquette. I realize poker is changing. Problem is, it's becoming UNRECOGNIZABLE.

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Okay, so, it's changing. Roll with it or be left behind. Bend or break, basically.

Do you understand the idea put forward that when dealers are treated as robots, the bad ones are the only ones who will stay? By wanting dealers to shut up completely, you are working against yourself, encouraging the good ones to find happier employment elsewhere. I understand that excessive chattiness leads to mistakes, and there are a fair number of dealers I wish would shut up and deal, but the chattiness is a symptom of their crappiness, not the other way around. Your ire is misdirected.

But don't worry, they'll all be replaced by machines soon enough.

As a dealer, I don't like to get involved in conversations, as it does distract me, but I do like friendliness between hands. It can be a little awkward to have to smile at someone making horrible jokes that I've heard dozens of times over, but I prefer that to the angry, grumpy customers.

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For you information, the dealer is not supposed to talking-period.

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Show me in any casino rule book in any state where it says that, and I'll give you a gold star. Until then you will just have to live with the fact that your out of touch with society, dealers, and card room management policies.

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No. It is you, who is out of touch, because you know nothing of poker tradition. Give me a "gold star" for the origin of the oft mentioned phrase, "SHUT UP AND DEAL", if you believe I created poker game etiquette. I realize poker is changing. Problem is, it's becoming UNRECOGNIZABLE.

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hurray, you can quote a saying from a TV show. There is not a floor in America that will side with you on this one because your taking such an extreme stance, and since they control the casinos your statement is ludicrous. Sorry, as a player you cannot fire a dealer for talking - but casino management can, and they don't. Do you see why?

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No. It is you, who is out of touch, because you know nothing of poker tradition. Give me a "gold star" for the origin of the oft mentioned phrase, "SHUT UP AND DEAL", if you believe I created poker game etiquette. I realize poker is changing. Problem is, it's becoming UNRECOGNIZABLE.

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Honestly, do you have autism or something like that? What the hell is wrong with you. If you hate the world, then go inside and play poker on the internet. It's that simple. You never need to go outside, you never need to talk to anyone, and you never need to feel feelings. You can sit in the dark, masturbate, play poker, and never have to make contact with another soul ever again.

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You can sit in the dark, masturbate, play poker, and never have to make contact with another soul ever again.

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God bless America.

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I prefer players to not try to engage me in conversation because I don't like making idle conversation.

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Probably most people here would agree (and it's already been stated) that excessive chattiness could be an issue, but to say the dealers should sit silently and throw cards is extreme.

When I ran an office I had several employees who dealt with customers to varying degrees; I'd never, ever expect them to speak the bare minimum to the customer to get the job done. Simply put, friendly employees bring customers back to your business.

Plus, some of those dealers are too damn cute *not* to flirt with. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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For you information, the dealer is not supposed to talking-period.

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Show me in any casino rule book in any state where it says that, and I'll give you a gold star. Until then you will just have to live with the fact that your out of touch with society, dealers, and card room management policies.

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No. It is you, who is out of touch, because you know nothing of poker tradition. Give me a "gold star" for the origin of the oft mentioned phrase, "SHUT UP AND DEAL", if you believe I created poker game etiquette. I realize poker is changing. Problem is, it's becoming UNRECOGNIZABLE.

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I don't think it's necessary to pile on this guy, but the newbies should understand from the overwhelming sentiment of this thread that he has no clue what "poker game etiquette" is.

There are appropriate times to talk to other players and/or to the dealer and there are inappropriate times. Basically, if you are likely to interrupt the flow of the game or effect the play of an ongoing hand, keep your mouth shut. Otherwise, relax, have fun and be social. It's good for the game and it is good for your own mental health. The grumpy octogenarian across the table may gets pissy about your talking -- listen politely to his complaints and ignore them.

If you disagree, stick to internet poker.

And no gold star -- the line "Shut up and deal" comes from the conclusion of a 1960 romantic comedy staring Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine. It has nothing to do with poker room etiquette and it is not originally a poker-related quoted -- they are playing gin rummy.

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I know dealers can chat and thats cool, when it doesn't interfere with the game. I was at Greektown in Detroit last Friday playing 5-10 & 3-6 limit. Several of the dealers were sloooow, and then right when one was about to start dealing a hand, some douchbag asks her a question and she stops dealing and has distant stare on her face like she's deep in thought, this happened on like all 5 hands she delt in a half hour.

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Let me preface this by saying that I really don't like to chat it up while I am in the box... I am really a "down to business" dealer. This is really changing with casinos and their hiring practices. They want dealers to be more entertaining than ever so their new guests will keep coming back and enjoy their experiences.

It used to be that casinos wanted dealers to be total robots and just grind hand after hand after hand as fast as humanly possible. I think it has changed to where the casino would take a one or two hand an hour loss if it meant that the tables were a little more lively, and the not so everyday player will have fun and keep coming back, tipping the cocktail waitresses, eating at the restraunts, ect...

However, the dealers need to be properly trained and schooled to be able to keep the game pace up and keep the conversation in-between hands only. If the dealer can do both of these things, I see no reason he shouldn't be talking and taking the casual players mind off the poker game.. all it can do is help the thinking player (which is YOU)

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Bad impression. The worst games I have ever dealt in have all been the most quiet.


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Ummmm... don't think there's an acronym for me changing this to reflect my opinion from the box. QFMyT?

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No reason a player can't chat with a dealer most of the time.

A good experienced dealer can do his or her job, and still be conversational. Engaging players can actually speed the game up at times instead of the other way around. For example, if I have a newer player who's having trouble paying attention to the action, I might kid him with something like, "Whenever there's a big pause in the action, that means it's your turn." It usually gets a little laugh from the table and is a friendly way to encourage him to pay more attention, without giving him a hard time.

I try to keep about 80% of the chit chat for the shuffle & when I'm pitching cards or some other lull. During the actual hand it's a good idea to keep it to bare minimum because you don't want to distract from the action.

All in all - you want to keep the game moving because that's how you make money as a dealer in the first place. But at the same time, you have to remember that most players play recreationally. If you lose a couple of hands an hour for the sake of trying to keep the game friendly, so be it. They lose a couple hands, the house loses a little rake and I lose a toke or two. Big deal. It's a small price to pay if guests have a more enjoyable time, which is more likely at a friendly table.

And that's nothing compared to what I'm like working a pit game, especially blackjack (which you can deal in your sleep).

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No doubt, you just know going into whatever game, the type of persona that you may want to carry while dealing a game.

3-6 is going to be more of a conversational, social atmosphere. In fact, players that are too serious or getting upset bc of beats on the limit game, probably shouldn't be in the game anyways since they don't understand the dynamics of that level of game.

While dealing a higher NL game from 2-5 up, maybe even some tables of 1-3 should be approached much differently.

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Let me preface this by saying that I really don't like to chat it up while I am in the box... I am really a "down to business" dealer. This is really changing with casinos and their hiring practices. They want dealers to be more entertaining than ever so their new guests will keep coming back and enjoy their experiences.

It used to be that casinos wanted dealers to be total robots and just grind hand after hand after hand as fast as humanly possible. I think it has changed to where the casino would take a one or two hand an hour loss if it meant that the tables were a little more lively, and the not so everyday player will have fun and keep coming back, tipping the cocktail waitresses, eating at the restraunts, ect...

However, the dealers need to be properly trained and schooled to be able to keep the game pace up and keep the conversation in-between hands only. If the dealer can do both of these things, I see no reason he shouldn't be talking and taking the casual players mind off the poker game.. all it can do is help the thinking player (which is YOU)

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Also, I have noted, where dealers keep their own tokes, they are more concerned with getting many hands out, than with chatting. That makes sense--more money for them, more hands being dealt to the players. But you have players who seem oblivious of that and continuously jack their jaws, despite the response from the dealer, sometimes being little more than a nod. Anyway you look at it, those jaw-jacking players are slowing-down the action.

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Having a talkative table is most definitely ++++EV.

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I Deal at TS I don't talk unless the player talks first. I will not get involved in conversations unless asked .But never during a live hand if there is a question about the property or somthing the answer is reserved for the shuffle. We keep our own tips so my main concern is running a smooth clean game the more hands I deal the more I make.
And its-------------- Dummy up and Deallllllllllllll