OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

SB is regular TAG with stats like 20/10 over large sample. I think he is wining player at this level.

BB is rock with 14/3 stats over large sample.

CO is unknown player with 32/7 stats over 70 hands..

No other reads.

Button ($39.38)
SB ($159.78)
BB ($64.09)
Hero ($162.57)
MP ($129.62)
CO ($75.83)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $16, CO calls $16, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $159.28 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $48.09 (All-In), Hero folds....

My thoght process.

I raise 50% and limp 50% UTG with small PP (so comments like "raise pre" dont bother plz)

when SB leads flop and BB(rock) raises him I was sure that if I push I got called by better hand allways so I coldcalled and CO did the same then SB goes allin and BB snapcalls.. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I took 1 min and was sure 1 of them had flush.. if so other possible holdings are either flush too or set (I ruled out 2 pairs, QQ and naked A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] automaticly maybe CO had A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but not SB,BB) and if one of them have set then my outs are slim to hit my FH...

Any thoghts welcome [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

i would have folded when the BB rr..doing anything but folding mid set in a 4 way pot on that board is suicide

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

btw raise pf yeah?

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Raise pre and you wouldn't have been in this position.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

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I raise 50% and limp 50% UTG with small PP (so comments like "raise pre" dont bother plz)

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raise pre

if you raise pre i dont think you would be in this mess.

as played fold seems ok i think.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Srsly, raise pre

"Don't tell me to raise pre, even though it's an important part of the hand and openlimping small pairs 50% UTG sucks"

Post flop looks OK. Pretty sure you never have the best hand though you're drawing pretty live a lot of the time against a couple made flushes.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

This is like just barely a fold. If the shorty had like 3/4 of a stack it would be a call.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

i raise the flop

but i also raise pf

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

BB is committed when he raises the flop. Therefore, I 3-bet the flop and if SB has a flush and pushes I will have no tough decisions to make because it's an easy call.

As played.....?????? I dunno. BB is short, Hero and CO have under-represented their hands, so SB could be pushing a lot of hands here with what he could perceive as dead money in the middle. I'm pushing because I don't mind going broke with middle set, but would break something if I folded and had the best hand.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Board: 5c 3c Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.138% 33.14% 00.00% 1373496 0.00 { 55 }
Hand 1: 33.431% 33.43% 00.00% 1385637 0.00 { 3d3h, 3d3s, 3h3s, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, Kc4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qc7c, Qc6c, Qc5c, Qc4c, Qc3c, Qc2c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, Jc6c, Jc5c, Jc4c, Jc3c, Jc2c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, Tc6c, Tc5c, Tc4c, Tc3c, Tc2c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 9c6c, 9c5c, 9c4c, 9c3c, 9c2c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 8c5c, 8c4c, 8c3c, 8c2c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 7c4c, 7c3c, 7c2c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 6c3c, 6c2c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c }
Hand 2: 33.431% 33.43% 00.00% 1385637 0.00 { 3d3h, 3d3s, 3h3s, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, Kc4c, Kc3c, Kc2c, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, Qc7c, Qc6c, Qc5c, Qc4c, Qc3c, Qc2c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Jc7c, Jc6c, Jc5c, Jc4c, Jc3c, Jc2c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, Tc6c, Tc5c, Tc4c, Tc3c, Tc2c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 9c6c, 9c5c, 9c4c, 9c3c, 9c2c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 8c5c, 8c4c, 8c3c, 8c2c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 7c4c, 7c3c, 7c2c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 6c3c, 6c2c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c }

SHIP IT

If I did this correctly, you should win 1/3 of all pots which means you have to call ;p

+Your and CO's call might have induced some kind of push over the top by SB as he might view you as weak and feels like he can gamble it up for half a buyin with AcXx or something..
I dunno. But they can basically have any 2 suited cards given that they are in the blinds.

Oh and SERIOUSLY, raise preflop.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Raise preflop blah blah.

I think this fold is good given how much action there is in front of us, somebody has a flush here pretty much always. I'd be willing to go to war with one player though, given the chance we have them oversetted, drawing to one out, or we have a bunch of outs to pair the board vs a flush.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

But we CAN'T fold here mang. 33% to win vs a range of any flush and 33 (since no one has queens here obv). Add in the possiblity of SB shoving over with AcXx because of the 2 cold calls (those look pretty weak) and I think we should call. There's money to win already.

Oh [censored] I forgot that one of the players is half-stacked. Hmn.

37% to win vs a reasonable range if we count vs just the guy who has us covered. I wish I didn't suck at math so I could figure out how much we need when taking into account the shortstack (with the same range).

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

reraise to 50 on the flop and it's an easy decision from there. I hate folding sets but in this situation. Possibility of 33 for any of them? I think that at worst case scenario that you still have outs (you can't put someone on QQ. Tough decision but a fold IMO if reraise as I said and get pushed.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Glad I'd never be in this spot. Cause I'd never limp preflop. And if someone hit me over the head and limped for me, I'd 3-bet the first time around when BB raised (which would price me in to calling if SB pushes). I know he's a rock, but given his stats he could easily have limped preflop with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and have a "monster" here, or he could have 33.

As played I think SB has either 33 or a flush. It's close, if his range is only 33 and flushes. I discounted a lot of flushes that SB shouldn't have (like 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) in this range (basically all suited Ks and As except A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and all 3-gappers or better:

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Board: 3c 5c Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.558% 39.35% 00.21% 12856 67.50 { 5h5s }
Hand 1: 60.442% 60.24% 00.21% 19679 67.50 { 33, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac4c, Ac2c, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, Kc7c, Kc6c, Kc4c, Kc2c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Tc9c, Tc8c, Tc7c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 9c6c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 7c4c, 6c4c, 4c2c }

I realise that BB complicates thinks, but even if BB's range is exactly equivalent to SB's (I think it's wider. It includes more flushes because he's in the BB, but it also inludes more TP+[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] hands because he feels "priced in" to call SB's push, whereas SB's b/3bet line is very often a monster) you have 33% equity in the side pot.

So it's close. Too lazy to do the math and at the table I'd probably freeze up and tilt-call, lol.

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Ok I suck at math but if we call, and their range is any flush +33.. We have 33% equity for the mainpot and 37% for the sidepot

The mainpot is 212$ after our call, the sodepot is 190$ after our call.

So we stand to win 140$ or so from both pots, for a 144$ call..

So guess a call is -3$?

Could someone who's not an idiot when it comes to math tell me if I'm right plz?

Re: OMG I folded set vs mega action 150BB deep..100 NL 6max
 

Ugh I suck, *Sidepot
*-4$