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toohigh 10-31-2007 04:31 PM

1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
MP is a 46/6/1 donk, reason I'm sitting, CO is 28/13/1.8, Hero is TAG

6handed, 1k eff.

Best turn line here?

1 fold, MP limps, CO pots to $45, Hero calls OTB w/ A10cc, blinds fold, MP calls.

3 way to the flop ($150)

8x3c9c

Both players check, hero bets $115, MP calls, CO folds

Turn ($380) is an offsuit 10, MP checks quick, Hero?

SGS 10-31-2007 04:34 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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MP is a 46/6/1 donk, reason I'm sitting

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You have TPTK+NFD against this guy. BET.

SGS

toohigh 10-31-2007 04:35 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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MP is a 46/6/1 donk, reason I'm sitting

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You have TPTK+NFD against this guy. BET.

SGS

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Bet size/response to CR?

rand 10-31-2007 04:37 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
200-250 i think maybe even less, 175?

HustlerLA 10-31-2007 04:39 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
Bet 90, and call normal C/R, fold river unimproved

toohigh 10-31-2007 04:40 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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Bet 90, and call normal C/R, fold river unimproved

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lol?

HustlerLA 10-31-2007 04:47 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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Bet 90, and call normal C/R, fold river unimproved

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I mixed my response to two differnt hands.

Bet slightly over 1/2pot, and call normal C/R, fold river unimproved

whorasaurus 10-31-2007 05:03 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
I really hate the bet-turn/fold unimproved river line here.

rand 10-31-2007 05:05 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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I really hate the bet-turn/fold unimproved river line here.

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does this mean you check turn or call river? bc i think both are bad

toohigh 10-31-2007 05:12 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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I really hate the bet-turn/fold unimproved river line here.

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does this mean you check turn or call river? bc i think both are bad

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Why is check turn bad?

We just gained a ton of SD value by making TP here, and it gives us more flexibility if the river does not improve our hand.

whorasaurus 10-31-2007 05:20 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
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I really hate the bet-turn/fold unimproved river line here.

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does this mean you check turn or call river? bc i think both are bad

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I probably check turn.

The thing about this hand is the villain appears to be pretty bad, so we're tempted to squeeze value out of this turn. But i think our equity really sucks if villain calls or c/r a turn bet. Against most ppl, I'm not ready to stack off yet, and probably check this turn. I didn't see any reads that villain is really donkish post-flop, so I vote to check here.

His aggression is so low that I don't really worry about getting bluffed off the river, and am probably willing to call 1/2 - 3/4 psb since we look so weak (depending on riv card).

mrcoughman 10-31-2007 05:35 PM

Re: 1knl, NFD + TPTK, turn play
 
I don't think we get cr here with a lot of bluffs or hands we are ahead of against said villain.
But we are ahead here a hell of a lot and our hand is vulnerable. I'd just bet.


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