Dangerous spot with a set....deep and OOP
 

Villain seems solid; 20/14 thru 140 hands.

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SB ($59)
BB ($103.05)
UTG ($289.30)
Hero ($165.85)
Button ($230.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, Button calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, Button calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $17</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $40</font>

Re: Dangerous spot with a set....deep and OOP
 

bet more on flop, and 90% of the time i call the turn and reevaluate on river

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pretty sure you are ahead most of the time. I don't really want another card to come here, so I would put in a raise.

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wtf you nits, 3bet please.

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165BB deep, I'm pretty sure I'm raising here. I expect to see 78 like never, A4-A6 a whole lot, and oversets not as much. Take this punk to valuetown. 200BB+, we've got another question because his calling range on the flop is big and he's probably not going to stack off with top and bottom pair.

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you guys dont think 7c8c would be in villains range?

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you guys dont think 7c8c would be in villains range?

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Yes. So?

Re: Dangerous spot with a set....deep and OOP
 

Uhhhhhh you're not THAT deep, it plays just like a 100bb stack. 3-bet the hell out of this because he like never has 87 here and if he had 23 the 6 is still a blank (villain would most liley minraise flop with 23 or whatever to get money in). This could be an ace thinking you're full of it, it could be A6, A5, hell maybe some retarded 56 or something with a 6c in it but I doubt it.

Point is, you probably need to raise because he probably has something he likes.

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you guys dont think 7c8c would be in villains range?

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So because there's a hand in his range that beats us, that means we are supposed to let the rest of the hands in his range catch up because we just call turn raise?

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Okay so I tanked and finally figured I was WA/WB and just called. The river was the most beautiful 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] completing the flush and filling my boat. What's our move? Pot is $103 and I have $114 behind.

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You don't know the meaning of WA/WB if you think it applies to this board....

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that there are also a million action killers and danger cards that can come on the river. Don't let it happen.

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You don't know the meaning of WA/WB if you think it applies to this board....

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I don't think he does this with a flush draw. Yes I know what it means.

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There are also a tonne of pair+straight draws, pair+straight draw+flush draw, straight draw+flush draws out there.

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that there are also a million action killers and danger cards that can come on the river. Don't let it happen.

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For example the 5 [censored] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Jesus, 3-bet turn and hope he pushes. This is nowhere close to WA/WB.

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that there are also a million action killers and danger cards that can come on the river. Don't let it happen.

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For example the 5 [censored] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Jesus, 3-bet turn and hope he pushes. This is nowhere close to WA/WB.

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Yup. Shove now though.

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There are also a tonne of pair+straight draws, pair+straight draw+flush draw, straight draw+flush draws out there.

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Villain is solid. I think he is just calling with pair/draws. A flop raise would be different. Here, there is no value in raising those hands. I think he has 87/55/air/Ax hands most of the time, i.e. WA/WB. He's not raising the turn with those draws.

The scare card part of it I can agree with, but I think he's folding to a raise with most of what I beat anyway.

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The scare card part of it I can agree with, but I think he's folding to a raise with most of what I beat anyway.

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You are representing AK really well up until the turn. I can't think of too many hands that would be folding to a 3 bet on the turn after putting in a raise.

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wtf you nits, 3bet please.

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Hince- you don't think he might be trying to get me off AK with AT/AJ? That's what it looks like to me if I'm ahead.

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When you get raised on the turn you can be fairly sure you have the best hand. His most likely holding IMO is A6. If you think he will definitely fold to a reraise on the turn then call, but I doubt many players at this level will fold that here, so go ahead and reraise.

As played, I bet about $35 on river and I will call all in.

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sucks because checkcalling then betting out is donk..but u miss tons of value if you check and he checks behind. so i just hope he calls and vb hard

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Hince- you don't think he might be trying to get me off AK with AT/AJ? That's what it looks like to me if I'm ahead.

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It's possible but not that likely. Even so, how much more value are you likely to get from those hands if you call the turn raise?

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Okay that's a good point.

I bet $65 on the river. He tanked, then called with 8c7c.