Charlie Weis
 

2 seasons and change, and under Charlie Weis, ND still has not beaten a team that had ended the season in the top 25. In fact, he has gotten blown out in many of these games.

I know Weis built a great reputation as an offensive genius while with the Pats, but so far ND has not exactly been world beaters under him.

What is the excuse here? How come they can't beat anybody good?

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jesus got tired of football and left to do other things

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Because they're not good. They're going to play in bowl games every year they don't deserve to due to the money they bring in. Notre Dame doesn't have the appeal it used to either. Players want to go to USC, Florida, Texas, OSU, Michigan etc. Even schools like WVU and Louisville have close to the same appeal now. Notre Dame simply is not that good.

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ND does currently have the number 1 recruiting class following back to back top 10 classes, so I don't think you can say that no one wants to play at ND anymore. I think it's just been a terrible coaching job on the offensive side of the ball this year, especially on the offensive line, which has just been a sieve. Also, PSU ended last year in the top 25, so he has beaten a team that finished the season ranked, albeit just barely.

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2 seasons and change, and under Charlie Weis, ND still has not beaten a team that had ended the season in the top 25. In fact, he has gotten blown out in many of these games.

I know Weis built a great reputation as an offensive genius while with the Pats, but so far ND has not exactly been world beaters under him.

What is the excuse here? How come they can't beat anybody good?

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A decent number of Notre Dame fans are still blaming Ty Willingham's poor recruiting on Charlie's struggles. They don't have much experienced depth on the OL. I'm also not blown away by their offensive skill players either.

ND has played against two very good defenses, but you'd think that an offensive "genius" could put an offense on the field that scores more than a FG a game.

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A decent number of Notre Dame fans are still blaming Ty Willingham's poor recruiting on Charlie's struggles.

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This is confusing to me. How did ND do so well when Weis fist got there if Willingham did such a bad job of recruiting?

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Willinghams recruiting was mostly confined to his first year, ranked 12th before the best player in the class, G-regg, transferred to Miami before making it through his first fall camp, followed by classes ranked 32nd and 40th according to rivals, although that one was partially shared by Weis who did the best he could while still coaching the Pats until after the Super Bowl. In addition to not being talented overall, many of them either quit the team or transferred, and I believe there are only 7 scholarship seniors on the team. It doesn't excuse the fact that the young talent we do have in the freshman and sophomore class looks terrible, but it's hard to compete with a 7 man senior class and a junior class that's not much better. We're essentially playing with 5th years, freshman, and sophomores with a sprinkling of juniors and seniors, who should make up the core of the team.

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A decent number of Notre Dame fans are still blaming Ty Willingham's poor recruiting on Charlie's struggles.

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Those ND fans are morons.

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Charlie Weis is a genius. Getting a ten year deal done before the adminstration figured out what a moron he is. Oh, and blaming Ty Willingham three years after he left for roster problems is laugh out loud funny. Isn't this the same Ty Willingham who's building a powerhouse at UW?

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Penn State finished ranked last year

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Isn't this the same Ty Willingham who's building a powerhouse at UW?

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shhhhh. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Getting a ten year deal done before the adminstration figured out what a moron he is.

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Not sure Weiss is a moron. Just overrated as a coach. But ND fans are pathetic for blaming Ty for their problems. I don't necesarily blame Weiss.

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BTW, keep in mind that having the number 1 ranked recruiting class right now is, I believe, more of a function of having a lot more of their class filled than anyone else right now. Everyone else will sign (ok not "sign" but get commitments from) plenty of top recruits in the coming months. So while they may still have a top class, I wouldn't put a ton of stock in their current ranking, just like I would be hesitant to trust rankings on signing day and instead wait to see who actually shows up at practice in August.

Anyway, who thinks this game will be a bigger suckfest than the 2005 one?

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Anyway, who thinks this game will be a bigger suckfest than the 2005 one?


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It is so sad this great rivalry has come to this. Today I was thinking of all the great games in this series (since I was old enough to watch).

1985 - Harbaugh hits Jamie Morris for a huge TD, Carney misses a field goal in the final seconds. Great game.

1988 - Another terrific game. Mike Gillette just misses a long field goal in the final seconds. I was sick to my stomach.

1989- Rocket Ismael returns two kickoffs for TD's. I was sick to my stomach.

1990- Gary Moeller's first game as head coach. UM comes out in a no-huddle offense, catching ND totally unprepared. Jon Vaughn runs wild, UM leads by 10 in the 2nd half, then collapses. I was sick to my stomach.

1991- Redemption. Elvis to Desmond on 4th and 1. One of the greatest plays in UM history.

1994- Michigan allows Ron Powlus to march down the field and score the go ahead TD with a minute to go. Todd Collins comes up big leading UM into field goal range and Remy Hamilton nails the game winner. Amazing game.

So many great games and incredible players over the years, and now in 2007 it is the "who is the bigger laughingstock bowl" sad.

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jesus got tired of football and left to do other things

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I believe it involved a 4 on the river

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I know Weis built a great reputation as an offensive genius

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I guess the genius got awful stupid once he left Brady and Belicheck.

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The recruiting of Weis has been good, but overrated
--similar to other things with NCAAF, Notre Dame gets a boost-for evidence, look at how much a player rises in the ratings when they verbal to ND---
These classes should be 3-4 spots lower than they are, but there is no doubt it still is a very good set of classes for Weis



Problems I've seen
1) No focus on defense.
Weis is an offensive genius and it seems like he focuses his recruiting a bit too much on the offensive side of the ball. The defense has been porous every year in his watch and he was done little to improve it. He also hasn't coached up the defense very well.
2) This is the tough year!
This is when the classes around the coaching turnover are the junior/senior team leaders. Now, Willingham left enough talent that these guys were always back-ups and never really got the chance to get playing time/experience. Guys with a little less talent and no playing time are not that good. To give a different example of how it goes and what I know. Look at Zook coming in at Illinois. There was absolutely no talent when he got there, so he got the chance to pretty much abadon the upper classmen and give the mediocre talent young guys a chance to play and develop. This has lead to guys like J Leman, who is now one of the best linebackers in the Big11Ten, but looked pretty bad and struggled after being an unheralded recruit in his first few years. This year, Notre Dame is stuck with either mediocre upperclassmen without experience on the d-line or have to go with untested freshman/sophomores.

3. Their schedule is backwards. They are playing the name programs with veterens early in the season and the creampuffs late. Look at the experience and talent on G Tech and Penn St. Even if Notre Dame had equal talent (which I think they do), it's tough for young inexperienced guys to match guys with 20 starts and a few more years of play. Michigan's offense is also senior laden. UCLA and Purdue return huge numbers. USC is USC. BC has alot of older talent. It's a really, really, really tough set-up....one designed for failure this year. In other years, it might be to Notre Dame's benefit to be frontloaded and avoid loses late in the year and have momentum building to BCS at-large berths while opponents get losses fresh in the voters mind. The trouble is keeping the team's confidence up this season.



Cliff notes---all is well at ND.
this is the the year they struggle where players who came during the coaching turnover are not upto being the junior/senior leaders.
A brutal schedule v experienced, talented teams is multiplying the effect.


Unfotunately, ND should be a top10 fixture the next 4-5 years.

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I still get amusement thinking about all the "Charlie Weis has SIX WEEKS to prepare for Ohio State!!!!" stuff before that Fiesta Bowl, like Mark May expected Weis to figure out a radical new formation or something.

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Don't forget what he had working for him last year
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He had to spend some time on his medical condition as well
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and he spent too much time on his modeling career in the first year

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I heard he has had a few movie roles as well---that's probably distracting him
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and he spent too much time on his modeling career in the first year

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Awesome. Baby! Get in my belly!

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The recruiting of Weis has been good, but overrated
--similar to other things with NCAAF, Notre Dame gets a boost-for evidence, look at how much a player rises in the ratings when they verbal to ND---
These classes should be 3-4 spots lower than they are, but there is no doubt it still is a very good set of classes for Weis



Problems I've seen
1) No focus on defense.
Weis is an offensive genius and it seems like he focuses his recruiting a bit too much on the offensive side of the ball. The defense has been porous every year in his watch and he was done little to improve it. He also hasn't coached up the defense very well.
2) This is the tough year!
This is when the classes around the coaching turnover are the junior/senior team leaders. Now, Willingham left enough talent that these guys were always back-ups and never really got the chance to get playing time/experience. Guys with a little less talent and no playing time are not that good. To give a different example of how it goes and what I know. Look at Zook coming in at Illinois. There was absolutely no talent when he got there, so he got the chance to pretty much abadon the upper classmen and give the mediocre talent young guys a chance to play and develop. This has lead to guys like J Leman, who is now one of the best linebackers in the Big11Ten, but looked pretty bad and struggled after being an unheralded recruit in his first few years. This year, Notre Dame is stuck with either mediocre upperclassmen without experience on the d-line or have to go with untested freshman/sophomores.

3. Their schedule is backwards. They are playing the name programs with veterens early in the season and the creampuffs late. Look at the experience and talent on G Tech and Penn St. Even if Notre Dame had equal talent (which I think they do), it's tough for young inexperienced guys to match guys with 20 starts and a few more years of play. Michigan's offense is also senior laden. UCLA and Purdue return huge numbers. USC is USC. BC has alot of older talent. It's a really, really, really tough set-up....one designed for failure this year. In other years, it might be to Notre Dame's benefit to be frontloaded and avoid loses late in the year and have momentum building to BCS at-large berths while opponents get losses fresh in the voters mind. The trouble is keeping the team's confidence up this season.



Cliff notes---all is well at ND.
this is the the year they struggle where players who came during the coaching turnover are not upto being the junior/senior leaders.
A brutal schedule v experienced, talented teams is multiplying the effect.


Unfotunately, ND should be a top10 fixture the next 4-5 years.

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Now, Willingham left enough talent that these guys were always back-ups and never really got the chance to get playing time/experience. Guys with a little less talent and no playing time are not that good.

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Which is Weiss' fault, imo. Weiss was left with a much better team than Willingham got when he went to UW. Not to mention that much more media exposure and national attention.

I think Weiss makes guys like Erickson, Spurrier and Willingham look that much better.

I also think Weiss over/out coaches himself at times.

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Look at the experience and talent on G Tech and Penn St. Even if Notre Dame had equal talent (which I think they do), it's tough for young inexperienced guys to match guys with 20 starts and a few more years of play.

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If this were true that ND had equal talent, imo, it makes Weiss look even worse.

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Hugh Millen claimed on the radio a few weeks ago that Weis is the worst person he's ever met because he's just so arrogant and dismissive. This makes him a perfect fit to be the guy who guides a [censored] ND team.

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Hugh Millen claimed on the radio a few weeks ago that Weis is the worst person he's ever met because he's just so arrogant and dismissive. This makes him a perfect fit to be the guy who guides a [censored] ND team.

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ha, I missed that one and I try to tune in every morning. Having said that, Tyrone Willingham knows how to motivate his troops. I was watching him on FSN last year, and they were showing him during pregame warmups and he was doing one hell of a job firing up all the players. Now, I just can't imagine jolly ol Weiss doing the same. Not saying you have to be that way to be a successful D-1 coach, there are other methods of motivation, but I don't see CW as head coach material. He belongs in the coach's box calling plays as an OC.

FWIW, the guy seems to have a runny nose alot. Everytime I see him he has snot running down his nose. Maybe he should carry a hanky.. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The fact that the offensive genius couldn't put a single point up against a team that gave up 34 points to Appalaichan st proves a lot in my mind. ND football is a disgrace right now. It was never this bad under Willingham, and come on- enough with the excuses. Weis has been there for a while now. I get that there isn't much talent in the upper classes but the younger guys suck too.

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Charlie Weis is a genius. Getting a ten year deal done before the adminstration figured out what a moron he is.

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lol