standard river spot with 66
 

The one read I have on villain (38/20/2 over 200 hands) is from BvB: he waited for the turn to raise QJo on KTxT board and followed through on river unimproved. Probably doesn't matter much for this hand though.

PokerStars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero

I think my options are b/f, c/c, and c/f. Please place in the order of your preference.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

If he's good I like c/c, b/f, then c/f. Concur otherwise.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

I think he'll value bet his AK/AQ hands, and any pair, thinking you're calling down with a weak A-high. He might even fire again with KQ thinking he might get you to fold A-high. I think c/c is probably best. I don't care much for b/f or c/f, I don't think you should do anything that involves folding once you make it this far.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

I suspect c/c and donk collect the bet from AK/Q with roughly equal frequency, but c/c doesn't get bluff raised. The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

I really can't see you folding after calling the turn, check call I guess.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

I'm never B/F without a very good read that allows me to do so. I'm not C/F against a player where the only note I have says he barrels river UI. That leaves B/C and C/C and I don't like B/C without a read that he raises worse hands. So the winner is.....

That said I probably C/R the flop and get called down by ace hi every time on that board. Well there is some chance that the six outter drops once the FD gets there on the turn. I can't prove that that line is better than C/C every street against an unknown, but I feel that if he keeps initiative he gets to value bet every street when he so chooses and SD cheaply when he chooses

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

With a history of river bluffing..is this not an easy c/c?

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

B/F and B/C seem bad.

I hate folding, so I usually C/C, but I kinda hate calling here since I think he checks hands like AQ and AK on the river.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK

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I think I would rather play this way vs an opponent with a slightly tighter 3betting range. Villain in this hand will hit the J with a much larger % of his range than would a 27/17 type, correct?

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK

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I think I would rather play this way vs an opponent with a slightly tighter 3betting range. Villain in this hand will hit the J with a much larger % of his range than would a 27/17 type, correct?

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Ehhh... maybe not. This kinda surprised me.

35.618% { 6c6h }
64.382% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+ }

39.011% { 6c6h }
60.989% { 55+, ATs+, KJs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo, QJo }

I don't think it makes much of a difference though, if I remove ATs and 55, the equity vs both ranges is basically the same.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

I have no preference on the river becuz theres only one choice in my mind. You played this hand perfectly so far, now check/call the river and go 4/4.

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The river donk does pretty much turn your hand over.

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You guys really play baby pairs like this regularly?

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Against a guy like this who is SD bound and have a bunch of overcards in his range I am c/r'ing the flop for value hoping he 3 bets AK

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I think I would rather play this way vs an opponent with a slightly tighter 3betting range. Villain in this hand will hit the J with a much larger % of his range than would a 27/17 type, correct?

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Ehhh... maybe not. This kinda surprised me.

35.618% { 6c6h }
64.382% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+ }

39.011% { 6c6h }
60.989% { 55+, ATs+, KJs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo, QJo }

I don't think it makes much of a difference though, if I remove ATs and 55, the equity vs both ranges is basically the same.

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Wow

Surprised me as well

Thx dude!

I am gonna c/r flop a lot less in these spots

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

Check/call or check/fold. Don't like any of the other options.

I'd pick the former against this guy since he might be jamming all the way with ace high or a flush draw that didn't come through on the river.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

There's still value in c/r flop in this spot if he can fold a 6-outer on the turn.

If not, then c/c down is optimal. Well, maybe c/r river with a sick read idunno (he'll fu-call with AK/AQ?)

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

I think it is really close between C/C and Bet/F.
If we make villain really stereotyped meaning that he is on river with his entire range. That he calls any A high hand and never bets them if checked too.
At the same time he bluffbets every river with a worse hand when checked too.
Then it seems that if villain bluffraises river less than 1 of 9 times then Bet/folding is better than check/caling.
Lots of if:s and buts though.Not just around his assumed actions but also around my calculations.

I think check/folding is a lot worse since he probably puts in another bet with a bad hand on river because he has no choice and because it lies in his nature.

Equally I think bet/calling is worse because a lot of the hands you´re beating consists of A-high hands and he would be content with just calling them.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

if you bet he will likely to be folding the hands he would bet with that you beat, and only call or raise if he has you beat so you get more value by c/c

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if you bet he will likely to be folding the hands he would bet with that you beat, and only call or raise if he has you beat so you get more value by c/c

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I don´t agree.Almost two thirds of the hands we beat are Ax hands.Why would it be more likely that he bets them when checked to than he is calling a donk bet?
If we eliminate the risk of getting bluffraised it is a very easy bet/fold IMO.But because that is a risk I could think of check/calling.

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

The villain is not the most passive of players. I think the chances of a bluff raise is possible. Given the read we have that he will bluff the river unimproved, I think simply check call. Is our best option. Then comes bet fold, I am not check folding this river. Nice Hand

Re: standard river spot with 66
 

i might c/r flop, but river is c/c, b/f, c/f, its a mistake to peel the turn i think then fold a blank river. I think c/c is def the best option, no need to worry about getting value.