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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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I've always been stunned at the number of christian asians in the US. It's ridiculous. It's ok for the commies to burn, apparently.

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Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?



[/ QUOTE ] My fondest girlfriends have been Asian. To contaminate their happy, sweet, innocent outlook on life with hateful, Christian concepts is a sin against the elegance of humanity.

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Great post Lebowsky,

At first from the subject I thought it was to be a racist post. But it isn't, or at least you did not intend it to be racist. You were wondering why the isaelis, or the palestinians would be privileged to hear the revelation of god directly. I mean without competing voices or counters spruiking for customers. I mean there were not multiple voices to be heard revealing this or that god wishes.

Yey! Yes, yet, other cultures either got to not hear from it or were invaded by missionaries claiming they had the right version. Now, which one was it, we are not sure, if we are open minded, but it seems unlikely that god voices would not sound out as clearly in latter days than in the early ones! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I can imagine this invasions, of some in incredible garbs some not, each competing for the most outlandish claim, catholics, episcopalians, calvinist, methodists, brtheren of this or that.


Ummm, with a wink to all my asian friends, I think I see where that bemused and inscrutable oriental smile comes from. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

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I just read God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens, and the author uses this as one of his (many) arguments for this case.

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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Our girlfriends will believe what they want to believe; that doesnt stop them from being hot my brotha;

my gf is redic hot, i dont make a huge case of it; ballah out niggah

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Great post Lebowsky,

At first from the subject I thought it was to be a racist post. But it isn't, or at least you did not intend it to be racist. You were wondering why the isaelis, or the palestinians would be privileged to hear the revelation of god directly. I mean without competing voices or counters spruiking for customers. I mean there were not multiple voices to be heard revealing this or that god wishes.

Yey! Yes, yet, other cultures either got to not hear from it or were invaded by missionaries claiming they had the right version. Now, which one was it, we are not sure, if we are open minded, but it seems unlikely that god voices would not sound out as clearly in latter days than in the early ones!

I can imagine this invasions, of some in incredible garbs some not, each competing for the most outlandish claim, catholics, episcopalians, calvinist, methodists, brtheren of this or that.


Ummm, with a wink to all my asian friends, I think I see where that bemused and inscrutable oriental smile comes from.


[/ QUOTE ] Just to comment that your post is pure poetry. And yes, I also adore that bemused and inscrutable oriental smile.
Thanks Midge, you always cheer me up.

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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What makes you think that God doesn't want the gospel spread to the entire human population?? Do you have any documentation to support this?

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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Our girlfriends will believe what they want to believe; that doesnt stop them from being hot my brotha;

my gf is redic hot, i dont make a huge case of it; ballah out niggah

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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Nobody sees the obvious answer to this question? Chinese people don't have souls, so worrying about whether or not they're saved is moot. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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That's what I tell myself, but sometimes I think I'm just doing it for fun.

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Despite its official secular stance, the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has claimed the power to approve the naming of high reincarnations in Tibet. This decision cites a precedent set by the Qianlong Emperor of the Qing Dynasty, who instituted a system of selecting the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama by means of a lottery which utilised a golden urn with names wrapped in barley balls. Controversially, this precedent was called upon by the PRC to name their own Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama and the majority of Tibetan Buddhists in EXILE do not regard this to be the legitimate Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama has recognized a different child, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, as the reincarnated Panchen Lama. This child and his family have been taken into 'protective custody' according to the PRC, and all attempts by members of the EU parliament and US government to garner guarantees of the family's safety have been denied by the PRC. There is some speculation that with the death of the current Dalai Lama, the People's Republic of China will attempt to direct the selection of a successor, using the authority of their chosen Panchen Lama.

The current Dalai Lama has repeatedly stated that he will never be reborn inside territory controlled by the People's Republic of China[4], and has occasionally suggested that he might choose to be the last Dalai Lama by not being reborn at all. However, he has also stated that the purpose of his repeated incarnations is to continue unfinished work and, as such, if the situation in Tibet remains unchanged, it is very likely that he will be reborn to finish his work.[5] Additionally, in the draft constitution of future Tibet, the institution of the Dalai Lama can be revoked at any time by a democratic majority vote of two-thirds of the Assembly. The 14th Dalai Lama has stated, "Personally, I feel the institution of the Dalai Lama has served its purpose."[5]





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Well, being a Chinese American I could never take Christianity seriously once I thought more about it. A book written about stuff that happened in the Middle East by people in the Middle East. They claim to know the "correct" way of living, which like every culture claims to do so. And when I see stuff like Islam, which and other similar competitors and I find it interesting. But I can only see them as literary works.

It would be like 30 different people coming up to you and saying that they know everything (with the truth obviously being in their favor), and everyone else does not. And they have absolutely no proof. Certainly Chinese people have come up with similar superstitions as well. I can only view them all the same.

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Well, being a Chinese American I could never take Christianity seriously once I thought more about it. A book written about stuff that happened in the Middle East by people in the Middle East. They claim to know the "correct" way of living, which like every culture claims to do so. And when I see stuff like Islam, which and other similar competitors and I find it interesting. But I can only see them as literary works.

It would be like 30 different people coming up to you and saying that they know everything (with the truth obviously being in their favor), and everyone else does not. And they have absolutely no proof. Certainly Chinese people have come up with similar superstitions as well. I can only view them all the same.


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Good post. My problem is with OP's initial post which is so lacking in insight, reason or creativity and is so full of "[censored]". Its the best I can give him but I am hopeful for the sun rises again on all of us.

Some of the baboons who followed his post should really take vows of silence.If they do, growth for them should be exponential. I hope he and his minions understand what this "censored" means.

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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While I agree with the first two sentences, why only target Christians? Aren't all religions, at least ones that have exposure outside their religion, guilty of the same thing. I notice that many secular people who promote cultural relativism and open-mindedness have an extreme, almost illogical hatred for Christians. How hypocritical, as if their beliefs only apply to certain groups of people.

As for the last sentence, are you serious? As a former Christian (currentely agnostic), I don't know of a single passage in the bible that advocates that, and even if there is one, I can tell you that I have not met a single Christian personally that believed in torturing in order to convert someone. If this happened on a regular basis, hell, if it happened at all, the media would have a field day.

This may have happened in the past, but a lot of religions have been guilty of attrocious things in history. This is why I am dumbfounded as to why Christians are the only group considered PC to target. For example, Ghegis Khan converted to Buddhism, the Muslim religion spread throughout the Middle East by the sword, the Samurai killed for the Emporor (their God, and lets not forget Nanking), many tribes of various beliefs practice tribalism (which is a PC way of saying racism) and outside of religion, Mao and Stalin were atheists! .(significant considering atheism has only started becoming widespread in the last 150 years). I could go on and on, but research some history and you would find that mankind is surprisingly similar, and few groups were immune from evil.

Does this mean that all these groups of people are evil? Hell no! It just proves that their are manipulative crazies in every group of people. To look at crazy Christians and say the entire group is hateful is stereotypical and completely illogical. Perhaps you guys have watched too much Colbert and Family Guy.

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My fondest girlfriends have been Asian. To contaminate their happy, sweet, innocent outlook on life with hateful, Christian concepts is a sin against the elegance of humanity.

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Sure, looking at history, there are obviously many Christians that didn't follow their own teachings. But cmon, hateful concepts? Love your neighbor, do unto others, give to the poor, do not kill, yeah, very hateful. Also, isn't condemning an entire group of people, well, hateful?

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Well, being a Chinese American I could never take Christianity seriously once I thought more about it. A book written about stuff that happened in the Middle East by people in the Middle East. They claim to know the "correct" way of living, which like every culture claims to do so. And when I see stuff like Islam, which and other similar competitors and I find it interesting. But I can only see them as literary works.

It would be like 30 different people coming up to you and saying that they know everything (with the truth obviously being in their favor), and everyone else does not. And they have absolutely no proof. Certainly Chinese people have come up with similar superstitions as well. I can only view them all the same.


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Good post. My problem is with OP's initial post which is so lacking in insight, reason or creativity and is so full of "[censored]". Its the best I can give him but I am hopeful for the sun rises again on all of us.

Some of the baboons who followed his post should really take vows of silence.If they do, growth for them should be exponential. I hope he and his minions understand what this "censored" means.

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Certainly when the words "Chinese" and "Christian" cover more than a billion people, broad statements tend to be kinda meaningless.

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

Also, if a Christian has a Chinese friend, isn't it his duty to this person to do absolutely everything he can, including physical abuse and torture to convince the Chinese guy to save his soul and believe in Jesus?

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While I agree with the first two sentences, why only target Christians? Aren't all religions, at least ones that have exposure outside their religion, guilty of the same thing. I notice that many secular people who promote cultural relativism and open-mindedness have an extreme, almost illogical hatred for Christians. How hypocritical, as if their beliefs only apply to certain groups of people.



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I think it's probaly because Christianity is what many of the posters are exposed to, and most of us here have been affected by the agenda of some Christian extremists [UIEGA, etc] But if there were more posters who came from the Middle East, you'd probaly hear more about Islam too.

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^^^

Regardless, the point of the post was that it is stupid to lump all Christians under the same boat as the extremists and attack the hypocrisy of the open-mindedness concept. Being affected by certain idividuals of a group doesn't make it logical to slanderize the entire group, especially when used to give legitamacy to my side of an issue (both sides are guilty of this, I'm not saying the original poster was, but others after him were). For example, is it logical for me to compare all Muslims to terroists? Is it logical for me to compare all atheists to Stalin? No. As you said, broad statements are meaningless. As a libertarian, I know I been have affected by the agenda of a lot more then just Christian extremists, doesn't make it logical for me to stereotype every group of people that disagree with me.

(Slightly Off topic and not directed at anyone: As a strong supporter of free speech, I am not going to say if I am for or against stereotyping. I will say that if someone is to claim they are strongly against stereotyping, then they should really do some self-evaluation, or they will look like a hypocrite.)

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There are too many kinds of Christians to answer OP's question.

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What makes you think that God doesn't want the gospel spread to the entire human population??

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That he revealed himself to a very limited part of the population and advocated the destruction of other people is a big hint.


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Do you have any documentation to support this?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

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That he revealed himself to a very limited part of the population and advocated the destruction of other people is a big hint.


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Do you have any documentation to support this?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

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its just using the kill all non-believers method of getting everyone to believe.

fair enough, there's no other method with any chance at all.

chez

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how would a god be responsible for the crusades, or any of the other atrocities committed in his name? Just because people kill in the name of a deity does not mean that deity would want this.

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Don't Christians think its strange that God choose not to spread his word to the entire human population?

does this suggest that Christianity is actually a man made invention and thus only exists in region it was invented?

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This is a good objection that many top christian apologists have trouble with. According to William Lane Craig God so ordered the world that only those who would hear and believe the christian gospel were born in a time and place in history were they would be able to hear it. Hence, all the Native Americans and Asians that never heard the gospel would have never believed it anyway and are now being tormented for their sins against a holy god for all eternity.

Like all other gratuitous rationalizations of religion, it is very convenient.

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As I said before, using history (very selective history)to stereotype a group of people today is competely nuts. Not every Christian in the Middle ages was a blood thristy crusader, and not every Christian was this man:

http://www.ncsu.edu/midlink/dreams/francis.html

He lived during the Middle Ages, he was anti-war, and against forceful convertion of Muslims. And before you think he was an exception, he had a huge following especially after his death.

Also, has anyone looked at the list of pioneers in classical liberalism, more then half the people in the list were Christian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...cal_liberalism

What an evil bunch of c*nts!! (sarcasm)Of course, this is America, and many Americans that dislike group of people use selective history to paint the entire group with the same brush as if to justify their hate. How ignorant.

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This may or may not qualify as a response to your question, but I personally know literally dozens of Christians who have been to China in the last few years in order to share God's word. You may not hear it talked about a ton because generally speaking they can't let the Chinese government find out why they're there.

The response from most of the Christians I know is to focus their energies on the solution rather than the problem, which isn't to say that the question of why the problem exists is ignored. I don't have it handy but these sorts of questions are addressed several times in several different ways by scripture.

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It's called the Great Commission:

It is the explicit message of our Lord Jesus Christ to those whom He has saved that they are sent forth by Him into the world even as He was sent forth of His Father into the world. After they are saved, they are divinely reckoned to be related to this world as strangers and pilgrims, ambassadors and witnesses, and that their primary purpose in life should be to make Jesus Christ known to the whole world (Matt. 28:18–19; Mark 16:15; John 17:18; Acts 1:8; 2 Cor. 5:18–20; 1 Pet. 1:17; 2:11).

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Of course, this is America, and many Americans that dislike group of people use selective history to paint the entire group with the same brush as if to justify their hate. How ignorant.

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What are you talking about? For starters, all people do this, not just Americans, it's called bias. But, who is doing this in the thread? My reason for mentioning the crusades is that they were following the letter of the Law as outlined in the magical book you all point to.

If your God intentionally created entire nations of people that he knew would not believe in Him and get destroyed, then I don't want to follow his lead and neither should anyone else.

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It's called the Great Commission:

It is the explicit message of our Lord Jesus Christ to those whom He has saved that they are sent forth by Him into the world even as He was sent forth of His Father into the world. After they are saved, they are divinely reckoned to be related to this world as strangers and pilgrims, ambassadors and witnesses, and that their primary purpose in life should be to make Jesus Christ known to the whole world (Matt. 28:18–19; Mark 16:15; John 17:18; Acts 1:8; 2 Cor. 5:18–20; 1 Pet. 1:17; 2:11).

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C'mon, those are boring passages for pussy Christians. I like these better:

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."

"...he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."

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Christianity, young fellow, was in Asia, Africa and India before it even got to England. It is worldwide. As far as torture, in China, when Christians are caught practicing their religion, which they do in secret in "house churches," they are tortured, imprisoned, shot in the street and well - the standard drill.

The sanctimonious and safely ignorant among you will be stunned to learn that Christians are the most persecuted religious people on earth.

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Christianity, young fellow, was in Asia, Africa and India before it even got to England. It is worldwide. As far as torture, in China, when Christians are caught practicing their religion, which they do in secret in "house churches," they are tortured, imprisoned, shot in the street and well - the standard drill.

The sanctimonious and safely ignorant among you will be stunned to learn that Christians are the most persecuted religious people on earth.

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Couldn't possibly be less relevant.

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Of course, this is America, and many Americans that dislike group of people use selective history to paint the entire group with the same brush as if to justify their hate. How ignorant.

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What are you talking about? For starters, all people do this, not just Americans, it's called bias. But, who is doing this in the thread? My reason for mentioning the crusades is that they were following the letter of the Law as outlined in the magical book you all point to.

If your God intentionally created entire nations of people that he knew would not believe in Him and get destroyed, then I don't want to follow his lead and neither should anyone else.

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I never implied that only Americans acted like that, hardly.

My "god" is irrelevant in conversation because I'm not even sure if one exists. Of course, it shouldn't have been relevent even if I did believe in one, but whatever. If you read the entire thread you would know that I am an agnostic. My previous posts stated simply stated that there are Christians that support what you say, and Christians that are altruistic (read previous posts for citing). If you can't see this then there is no help for you, and I won't pleasure you with another post. I am attacking the way people like you seem to paint all Christians with the same brush. You seem to cite the specific passages in Bible to prove a point? What is your point? It is in the Bible therefore all Christians believe we should murder everyone? Get real. Certain sects of Christianity believe that every passage in the Bible is should be taken literally (I can see your point if you believe all Christians think like this) while others believe that much of the Bible was written by man and favor a much looser translation. Even then, there are individuals in these sects that have thier own beliefs. In most religions you find passages that contradict each other. Some can be interpreted that war is good, some would say war is wrong, even in the Bible. This is why most religious practitioners in the 21st century have to pick and choose passages that fit their beliefs. This is why you find anti-war Christians, pro-war Christians, liberal Christians, conservative Christians, Christians that believe they should convert everyone, christians that don't etc etc.


Francis of Assisi was anti-war who did not believe in forced conversion who drew his inspiration from the Bible. Of course, he does not fit your disturbing view of Christians so I guess he isn't relevant in this conversation. I guess the Christians that influenced classical liberalism and humanism aren't relevent to you eithier. (Kant's Golden Rule "Do unto others" was taken straight from the Bible, which influenced the untilitarians view of the harm principle, a moral concept still found in secular society)


I've given plenty of examples throughout history of Christians that don't fit the examples you put them in, which also followed the passages of the bible. (please look at previous posts) But no, your attack against a relgion is to find specific passages that most of the practitioners no longer follow. Do you spend this much time discrediting Muslims and Buddhists? I highly doubt it, because judging by the harshness of your post I'm not surprised that your parents forced religion on you and this is your way of getting back at them (this is my exprerience with most atheists, after all, your arguments can be applied to all religions, yet you chose a specific one, you obviously have some specific spite towards this religion caused by who knows what)

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"Certain sects of Christianity believe that every passage in the Bible is should be taken literally (I can see your point if you believe all Christians think like this) while others believe that much of the Bible was written by man and favor a much looser translation."

Don't you realize how silly this sounds and how pointless it makes the Bible? Here is the truth about Christianity: you guys were all indoctrinated into it and now you go around answering every question or criticism of your religion with "well maybe, this is why" when there is no logical basis to do so. I want to scream in your ear, "No, stop saying "well maybe this is why" or "well, that is debatable" and actually give a straight forward logical answer. If you cant give a logical answer, then admit that there are huge flaws in your belief system.

I find it impossible to respect anyone who actually believes in Jesus or views the Bible as a factual piece of literature.

I have lived in Asia for three years today and I have never been approached by an Asian person wanting to tell me about their religion, but I have been approached by other white people trying to get me to volunteer my time. Its a [censored] joke.

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It's called the Great Commission:

It is the explicit message of our Lord Jesus Christ to those whom He has saved that they are sent forth by Him into the world even as He was sent forth of His Father into the world. After they are saved, they are divinely reckoned to be related to this world as strangers and pilgrims, ambassadors and witnesses, and that their primary purpose in life should be to make Jesus Christ known to the whole world (Matt. 28:18–19; Mark 16:15; John 17:18; Acts 1:8; 2 Cor. 5:18–20; 1 Pet. 1:17; 2:11).

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C'mon, those are boring passages for pussy Christians. I like these better:

"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."

"...he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."

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Your use of adjectives to describe a whole group of people is quite distasteful. Really shows your age. Nice.

We are also talking about the whole world, not one particular city.

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If you read the entire thread you would know that I am an agnostic.

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I was not and am not trying to debate you directly on anything. I don't really care what you believe in to be honest, it's not my business.


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My previous posts stated simply stated that there are Christians that support what you say

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What exactly is it that I said? You seem to be jamming an awful lot of thoughts about Christianity into my mouth.


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I am attacking the way people like you seem to paint all Christians with the same brush. You seem to cite the specific passages in Bible to prove a point? What is your point?

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I didn't paint anyone. I expressed my opinion that the Old Testament is absurd rubbish. Brad asked what led us to believe God didn't want the whole world to hear, that was my answer. Do either of you have a refutation? Or are you going to continue dodging because you don't like the words I chose?


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It is in the Bible therefore all Christians believe we should murder everyone? Get real.

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Pls to be showing me where I said this.


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Francis of Assisi was anti-war who did not believe in forced conversion who drew his inspiration from the Bible. Of course, he does not fit your disturbing view of Christians so I guess he isn't relevant in this conversation. I guess the Christians that influenced classical liberalism and humanism aren't relevent to you eithier.

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I don't have a disturbing view of Christians. Do I think people who take the Bible literally are morons? Yes, I do. But we seem to mostly agree (aside from my choosing the word "moron") on that so, again I have no idea what you are talking about.


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But no, your attack against a relgion is to find specific passages that most of the practitioners no longer follow.

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Huh? Again, if I am attacking anything, it's how absurd and ridiculous parts of the Old Testament are. That is all. Obviously not everyone takes it literally.


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Do you spend this much time discrediting Muslims and Buddhists?

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If all my friends were Muslim instead of Christian maybe I would spend more time poking holes in their BS. I am not trying to discredit anyone specifically, religious people do a good job of that without my assistance.


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I highly doubt it, because judging by the harshness of your post I'm not surprised that your parents forced religion on you and this is your way of getting back at them (this is my exprerience with most atheists, after all, your arguments can be applied to all religions, yet you chose a specific one, you obviously have some specific spite towards this religion caused by who knows what)

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lol. What on earth? Was my post judged as harsh because I used the p-word? Give me a break. And my parents didn't force anything on me, they let me come to my own conclusions, not that it's any of your business. Again, I have no idea what makes you think I am singling out Christianity. You don't have a very big sample size and you seem to be ascribing a great number of ideas and opinions to me that I am not in possession of.

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Your use of adjectives to describe a whole group of people is quite distasteful. Really shows your age. Nice.

We are also talking about the whole world, not one particular city.

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You reading comprehension appears to be quite distasteful too. I was not describing an entire group of anyone. I want you to stop picking and choosing the nice parts of the Bible and acknowledge what your God *commands* you to do. Faith-shaking stuff here, so I 100% expect more dodges like this.

Why would an all-knowing and benevolent God create entire nations of people when he knew they would suffer and be destroyed? Amorites, Hittites, Chinese, Indians, all of 'em.

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Your use of adjectives to describe a whole group of people is quite distasteful. Really shows your age. Nice.

We are also talking about the whole world, not one particular city.

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You reading comprehension appears to be quite distasteful too. I was not describing an entire group of anyone. I want you to stop picking and choosing the nice parts of the Bible and acknowledge what your God *commands* you to do. Faith-shaking stuff here, so I 100% expect more dodges like this.

Why would an all-knowing and benevolent God create entire nations of people when he knew they would suffer and be destroyed? Amorites, Hittites, Chinese, Indians, all of 'em.

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There was a question asked (sort of), which I answered with a satifactory Biblical answer. You then came back & made an uncalled for snide remark. So, once again, who's being distasteful??

Additionally, during the times of the Amorites, Hittites, etc there were prophets of the Old Testament preaching the gospel. They had their chance. The Chinese people are being witnessed to in today's times same as the Indians in India. So they are having their chance now. Everybody has the opportunity, whether the individual chooses to accept it is another matter.

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There was a question asked (sort of), which I answered with a satifactory Biblical answer. You then came back & made an uncalled for snide remark. So, once again, who's being distasteful??

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I apologize for using the word pussy. The verses you pointed out are very nice and flowery when compared to the blood and guts versions that occur earlier in the Bible. That is all. At no point did I say that all Christians are pussies (or anything for that matter).


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Additionally, during the times of the Amorites, Hittites, etc there were prophets of the Old Testament preaching the gospel. They had their chance. The Chinese people are being witnessed to in today's times same as the Indians in India. So they are having their chance now. Everybody has the opportunity, whether the individual chooses to accept it is another matter.

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They did? Put yourself in the shoes of the Amorites for a second, how could they possibly discern between the "true" Christian prophets and all of the other people who claimed to know what was going on at the time? Seems like a big confusing mess that an all-knowing God would be understanding of, no? Also, what good is a chance if God already knows we won't take it?

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Seeing as your chinese american i would like your opinion on an observation i have made in the last week. Cornell is probabaly 50% white and 20-30% Asian and i went to a few christian group fairs/info sessions and there were typically more asians (mix of international,first gen, 2nd gen. etc) than there were whites. Im curious what your thought is on this observation in this specific context.

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There was a question asked (sort of), which I answered with a satifactory Biblical answer. You then came back & made an uncalled for snide remark. So, once again, who's being distasteful??

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I apologize for using the word pussy. The verses you pointed out are very nice and flowery when compared to the blood and guts versions that occur earlier in the Bible. That is all. At no point did I say that all Christians are pussies (or anything for that matter).


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Additionally, during the times of the Amorites, Hittites, etc there were prophets of the Old Testament preaching the gospel. They had their chance. The Chinese people are being witnessed to in today's times same as the Indians in India. So they are having their chance now. Everybody has the opportunity, whether the individual chooses to accept it is another matter.

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They did? Put yourself in the shoes of the Amorites for a second, how could they possibly discern between the "true" Christian prophets and all of the other people who claimed to know what was going on at the time? Seems like a big confusing mess that an all-knowing God would be understanding of, no? Also, what good is a chance if God already knows we won't take it?

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Once again, I restate that they had the opportunity. Just as we today have the opportunity. I did not say they were forced to take it, just that the Word was presented to them. It is up to each person to decide for themselves. The Bible says there will be false prophets, always has been, always will be.

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Everybody has the opportunity , whether the individual chooses to accept it is another matter.

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This isn't true.