$200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?
 

This is right, yes? No history/stats on opponent.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $234.10
BB: $246.15
UTG: $336.75
MP: $217.85
CO: $207.00
BTN: $208.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $16.00

Flop: ($48) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $30.00</font>, Hero calls $30.00

River: ($108) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Pot Size: $108.00 ($3 Rake)

Re: $200 NL - More Me Being Crap in 3 Bet Pots?
 

um, why no c-bet?

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I usually bet turn when the flop gets checked through like this.

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ye.. if u dont want to cb. at least bet the turn

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um, why no c-bet?

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Because next to nothing I beat calls, and lots of hands that beat me will go for a check raise. I didn't bet the turn for the same reason, nothing changed. I can see an argument for raising turn because of the flush draw though.

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against an unkown, i would Cbet 100%.

you have to call on the turn and river after having shown so much weakness. you should feel lucky you got to showdown

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against an unkown, i would Cbet 100%.

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Why? What do you think his range is? What do you think is folding, and what do you think is calling?

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protect your equity, you have no idea of his bluffing frequencies.

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against an unkown, i would Cbet 100%.

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Why? What do you think his range is? What do you think is folding, and what do you think is calling?

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people call 3bets with many strange things, against unkowns you bet so they know you mean business. you probably have the best hand, you don't want to give free cards, you want to know where you are at.

i estimate the other guy folding about 70%+ of the time.

it is true that you won't get much value out of hands you beat, but value betting isn't the only reason to bet.

also great for meta, they should know that if they call a 3bet, they have to commit there whole stack

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I usually cbet the flop here, but not always. Probably against an unknown I am betting this flop frequently though. However, I think your turn call is fine. If I was villian I would be betting the turn in position after your check/check every time with any two. So, the call is fine. Just be aware that as villian I would fire on the river too pretty frequently for a close to psb.

Do you call the river if a non diamond J,K,A falls?

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protect your equity, you have no idea of his bluffing frequencies.

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I think this is key and why you definately want to c-bet this flop. There is already alot of money out there, try to pick it up.

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protect your equity, you have no idea of his bluffing frequencies.

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I agree. You have to CB when you have a hand or he will often take the hand away from you or draw out. You can check turn instead and he will often check behind if you have a habit of CR with your monsters. And c/f river if you feel youre beat.

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protect your equity, you have no idea of his bluffing frequencies.

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i agree to some extent. its something ive been thinking about lately. i think part of the reason you check is to induce bluffs from hands you beat. supposing you are up against your standard tagfish who will call u'r 3bet with 22 "for set value" and
i) never gives you action with his hand he is playing fit/fold with even if you underrep your hand by checking the flop
ii) never bluffing when you check to him

yes he only has 2 outs, but you havent gained anything from inducing bluffs...coz he doesn't bluff. so you are better off protecting your hand instead of putting yourself in a sort of negative freeroll where he only gives you action with his hand if he improves, and you dont gain anything by giving him this chance from bluffs.

pretty sure that didn't make much sense.

i do sometimes check because i "dont want to turn my hand into a bluff". its really annoying..ever since i learned that concept ive been ending up in really tricky situations where i have to call off my stack with KK on A high boards just because ive underrepped my hand.

i think most people do bluff enough to make giving a free card a decent option, but if you know somebody doesn't, then you might aswell protect your hand i think.

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you bet because it makes the hand very easy to play. if he calls, you're done with the hand. if not, you just picked up a nice pot. you have no idea how often he's going to bluff, so if you check and he bets youre in a really tough spot and will have to fold since you're OOP. betting protects your hand and prevents you from getting bluffed.

with position, checking behind on the flop gets a lot better.

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you bet because it makes the hand very easy to play.

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so if you check and he bets youre in a really tough spot and will have to fold since you're OOP

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why do you have to fold to one barrel? cant you just call once and see how the turn plays out? im sure there is a reason why this is bad ...

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with position, checking behind on the flop gets a lot better.

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if you dont know how often he bluffs , why is checking the flop in position any better? if he fires the turn now you are in a really tough spot aswell.

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cbet flop.
raise turn in this case since you didnt (but should) cbet flop