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FrenchShine 10-19-2007 09:45 PM

Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
The guy is a total moron. He is not good, numerous players online or whatnot are better and more accomplished than he is. And they sponsor the Italian kid.

Ive played with him on stars in tons of $79's and $60's before i actually heard about him in the WSOP ME. I mean cmon he won some car using FPP and got deep in 1 tournament. I say hes a lucky kid to be sponsored and shuld not be sponsored.
He does nothing amazing.

And also his new pic on Stars the Neo from The Matrix is so lame and ignorant.

Why is he sponsored? Why ? Elaborate

1tripz1 10-19-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
He got tv time. he wore a scarf. people will recognise him as the guy on tv who wore scarf and might play at pokerstars because of it.

[x] business.

evagaba 10-19-2007 10:43 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Was this your 1st, 2nd or 3rd post?

Word of advice, worry about the French and not the Italian.

JJBuffone 10-19-2007 10:44 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
ban

Dan87 10-19-2007 10:45 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
You do know he also final tabled an EPT event right? Maybe do your research before dissing someone so harshly.

His style is so high variance that he is bound to look like a donkey sometimes when his bluffs don't work, but he must be doing something right.

Windforce 10-19-2007 10:48 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
wearing scarf on televised poker tourneys is +EV, I see what he did there.

shipitkthx 10-19-2007 10:54 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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His style is so high variance that he very well could be a donkey most of the time when his bluffs don't work, but the variance in large field donkaments is so ridiculously high that the chance of him ever getting a good enough sample to say if his style is optimal or even profitable is slim to 0. but lucky for him he ran good on a couple of donkaments and has the lack of a life to grind out that many FPPs so now he is sponsored and famous.

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FYP

Seriously are there still people who don't understand that this is the backstory of almost every TV or big donkament pro???

EDIT: I'll continue my rant, cuz this really gets under my skin. You are saying we shouldn't bash him because his high variance style looks bad sometimes. Your statement contradicts itself. If his style is that high variance it is just as likely that when he actually wins he is just running like god as it is likely that when he looks like a donk he's just running bad. Do you realize how many people use his style of blind aggression?? Do you realize the % of them that will never make a big final table? The % of them you will never hear about that play the WSOP or EPT the same way? How many big 5k-10k events are there a year? Less than 100? These players get the glory because when they run good their chipstacks tend to swing in a much more dramatic fashion. Is he a complete donk? Probably not. Does the fact that he was successful in a small sample of high variance events using an extremely high variance style make him a great player above being berated in BBV? Absolutely [censored] not.

CCx 10-19-2007 10:58 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
scarves, they're one thing

FF_Barret 10-19-2007 11:00 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
I remember seeing Dariominieri and leemur1 going at it constantly at the 5000$ heads up sng matches on stars a lot, during 2006..was pretty awesome. I liked him then, and I liked him now.

Claunchy 10-19-2007 11:04 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Because she's hot ldo:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/738...minieridp8.jpg

Mike Kelley 10-19-2007 11:07 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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His style is so high variance that he very well could be a donkey most of the time when his bluffs don't work, but the variance in large field donkaments is so ridiculously high that the chance of him ever getting a good enough sample to say if his style is optimal or even profitable is slim to 0. but lucky for him he ran good on a couple of donkaments and has the lack of a life to grind out that many FPPs so now he is sponsored and famous.

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FYP

Seriously are there still people who don't understand that this is the backstory of almost every TV or big donkament pro???

EDIT: I'll continue my rant, cuz this really gets under my skin. You are saying we shouldn't bash him because his high variance style looks bad sometimes. Your statement contradicts itself. If his style is that high variance it is just as likely that when he actually wins he is just running like god as it is likely that when he looks like a donk he's just running bad. Do you realize how many people use his style of blind aggression?? Do you realize the % of them that will never make a big final table? The % of them you will never hear about that play the WSOP or EPT the same way? How many big 5k-10k events are there a year? Less than 100? These players get the glory because when they run good their chipstacks tend to swing in a much more dramatic fashion. Is he a complete donk? Probably not. Does the fact that he was successful in a small sample of high variance events using an extremely high variance style make him a great player above being berated in BBV? Absolutely [censored] not.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You let something in BBV get under your skin, and if he was a complete donk he wouldn't of lasted long enough to win a porshe with fpp points.

shipitkthx 10-19-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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I remember seeing Dariominieri and leemur1 going at it constantly at the 5000$ heads up sng matches on stars a lot, during 2006..was pretty awesome. I liked him then, and I liked him now.

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He did well in those I assume:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...splayGraph.png

shipitkthx 10-19-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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His style is so high variance that he very well could be a donkey most of the time when his bluffs don't work, but the variance in large field donkaments is so ridiculously high that the chance of him ever getting a good enough sample to say if his style is optimal or even profitable is slim to 0. but lucky for him he ran good on a couple of donkaments and has the lack of a life to grind out that many FPPs so now he is sponsored and famous.

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FYP

Seriously are there still people who don't understand that this is the backstory of almost every TV or big donkament pro???

EDIT: I'll continue my rant, cuz this really gets under my skin. You are saying we shouldn't bash him because his high variance style looks bad sometimes. Your statement contradicts itself. If his style is that high variance it is just as likely that when he actually wins he is just running like god as it is likely that when he looks like a donk he's just running bad. Do you realize how many people use his style of blind aggression?? Do you realize the % of them that will never make a big final table? The % of them you will never hear about that play the WSOP or EPT the same way? How many big 5k-10k events are there a year? Less than 100? These players get the glory because when they run good their chipstacks tend to swing in a much more dramatic fashion. Is he a complete donk? Probably not. Does the fact that he was successful in a small sample of high variance events using an extremely high variance style make him a great player above being berated in BBV? Absolutely [censored] not.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You let something in BBV get under your skin, and if he was a complete donk he wouldn't of lasted long enough to win a porshe with fpp points.

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See above graph.

Mike Kelley 10-19-2007 11:20 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Which part of high variance style are you having trouble grasping?

you count his rake back into that 25,000 and he's got a nice profit, only like 2% of players manage to be winners anyway right?

shipitkthx 10-19-2007 11:23 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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Which part of high variance style are you having trouble grasping?

you count his rake back into that 25,000 and he's got a nice profit, only like 2% of players manage to be winners anyway right?

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Yah, so does Fgators.

scottjf8 10-19-2007 11:41 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Replace Dario Minieri with Raymond Rahme

Sponger. 10-19-2007 11:44 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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Replace Dario Minieri with Raymond Rahme

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I can just imagine Raymond thinking he is the [censored] at poker and giving seminars and writing books in the near future. I don't know why I do torture myself with these thoughts.

w33ktight 10-20-2007 05:33 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
anyone who says he sucks doesn't know how to play mtts

TheRenaissance 10-20-2007 05:38 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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Because she's hot ldo:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/738...minieridp8.jpg

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6/10

MyironThumb 10-20-2007 06:47 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
BBV [ ]

NVG [x]

AlexB81 10-20-2007 06:50 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
If you don t know how he plays maybe he has an edge ...but if u know u just have to check\call and not play marginal hands (if u don t want go to showdown with them ) i think he can t win.
He just doesn t change gears.
Sng 200$ he s one of the best but on higher stakes(for example 5000$) he can t win like you can see on sharkscope.
I m not saying he is bad just that you have to adapt.

Gunnarr 10-20-2007 06:57 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Be very happy that Pokerstars is adding members to their team from all walks of life and all corners of the world.

With each new spokesperson that some donk can relate to comes more fish in the sea.

Carolina Pirate 10-20-2007 11:27 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
who is dario, i thought that was harry potter b/c of the scarf...obv

coordi 10-20-2007 11:33 AM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Really? Because I was thinking he was some sort of dike...

franzinator 10-20-2007 01:48 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
Dario is at the moment the most known player in Italy, and i think it works for stars to sign him .

R*R 10-20-2007 01:51 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
I watched him play in WPT on TV and I thought he was great to watch.

kingofclubs 10-20-2007 01:55 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
apart from DN who has pokerstars actually sponsored tht is any good?

which makes me think y r u all suprised?

Dan87 10-20-2007 02:00 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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His style is so high variance that he very well could be a donkey most of the time when his bluffs don't work, but the variance in large field donkaments is so ridiculously high that the chance of him ever getting a good enough sample to say if his style is optimal or even profitable is slim to 0. but lucky for him he ran good on a couple of donkaments and has the lack of a life to grind out that many FPPs so now he is sponsored and famous.

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FYP

Seriously are there still people who don't understand that this is the backstory of almost every TV or big donkament pro???

EDIT: I'll continue my rant, cuz this really gets under my skin. You are saying we shouldn't bash him because his high variance style looks bad sometimes. Your statement contradicts itself. If his style is that high variance it is just as likely that when he actually wins he is just running like god as it is likely that when he looks like a donk he's just running bad. Do you realize how many people use his style of blind aggression?? Do you realize the % of them that will never make a big final table? The % of them you will never hear about that play the WSOP or EPT the same way? How many big 5k-10k events are there a year? Less than 100? These players get the glory because when they run good their chipstacks tend to swing in a much more dramatic fashion. Is he a complete donk? Probably not. Does the fact that he was successful in a small sample of high variance events using an extremely high variance style make him a great player above being berated in BBV? Absolutely [censored] not.

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You seem to use variance as a crutch for everything that happens in a donkament. Win= lucky, Lose = unlucky. You talk as if these are new ideas, really you have to run good to win a huge field tourney? Jeez didn't notice that before.

There is still some skill involved and there is a difference between aggression and blind aggression. I havent seen Dario play enough to tell which he is, but people who say he is a donkey piss me off because they haven't seen enough of him either.

Its the same argument against anybody who does well in tournaments, everyone just says they are huge luckboxes. To a certain extent obviously someone like annette has to run good to win the WSOPE but does that make her an overaggressive donkey? Or is it jealousy that makes her that?

Todpullen 10-20-2007 02:01 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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apart from DN who has pokerstars actually sponsored tht is any good?

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Barry Greenstein

[Phill] 10-20-2007 02:05 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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apart from DN who has pokerstars actually sponsored tht is any good?

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Rainkhan and Rousso, ldo.

mbpoker 10-20-2007 02:06 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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Dario is at the moment the most known player in Italy, and i think it works for stars to sign him .

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Bingo.

shipitkthx 10-20-2007 02:14 PM

Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?
 
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His style is so high variance that he very well could be a donkey most of the time when his bluffs don't work, but the variance in large field donkaments is so ridiculously high that the chance of him ever getting a good enough sample to say if his style is optimal or even profitable is slim to 0. but lucky for him he ran good on a couple of donkaments and has the lack of a life to grind out that many FPPs so now he is sponsored and famous.

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

Seriously are there still people who don't understand that this is the backstory of almost every TV or big donkament pro???

EDIT: I'll continue my rant, cuz this really gets under my skin. You are saying we shouldn't bash him because his high variance style looks bad sometimes. Your statement contradicts itself. If his style is that high variance it is just as likely that when he actually wins he is just running like god as it is likely that when he looks like a donk he's just running bad. Do you realize how many people use his style of blind aggression?? Do you realize the % of them that will never make a big final table? The % of them you will never hear about that play the WSOP or EPT the same way? How many big 5k-10k events are there a year? Less than 100? These players get the glory because when they run good their chipstacks tend to swing in a much more dramatic fashion. Is he a complete donk? Probably not. Does the fact that he was successful in a small sample of high variance events using an extremely high variance style make him a great player above being berated in BBV? Absolutely [censored] not.

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You seem to use variance as a crutch for everything that happens in a donkament. Win= lucky, Lose = unlucky. You talk as if these are new ideas, really you have to run good to win a huge field tourney? Jeez didn't notice that before.

There is still some skill involved and there is a difference between aggression and blind aggression. I havent seen Dario play enough to tell which he is, but people who say he is a donkey piss me off because they haven't seen enough of him either.

Its the same argument against anybody who does well in tournaments, everyone just says they are huge luckboxes. To a certain extent obviously someone like annette has to run good to win the WSOPE but does that make her an overaggressive donkey? Or is it jealousy that makes her that?

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I think we may actually agree with each other more than me realize. I'm not arguing that he is some huge donk. I agree that is an extremely rash statement. I also think that saying he is a great player is a rash statement. You are completely right in saying that you (or me, or anyone) hasn't seen enough to make that judgment. I think this is true for most young aggressive donkament players. I'm not saying every person who does well in donkaments is a huge luckbox. I'm saying that the level of variance involved in donkaments makes it impossible to say how good someone really is over these small samples. This doesn't just apply to Dario, it applies to everyone. My main argument against your original statement was you saying that because his style is high variance he can look like a donk at times but he must be doing something right. Variance is not a 1 way street. It is just as likely that his high variance style makes him look like a genius sometimes but he is doing a lot of things wrong. The fact is that I don't know which it is. But I think someone wanting to argue that he is just a lucky donk can have that point without it being jealousy and using the "high variance" defense does very little to disprove that argument.


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