Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

Villain is doing a lot of limp/calling pf, a fair amount of raising, hes been check/raising my flop bets as well as other players flop bets a lot. He has also been running hot.

I have been isolating him pf a lot but he was c/r my flop bet heaps so i started checking behind on the flop a bit more but then he started potting the turn so there was nothing i could really do, he also has LRR me twice pf.

Ok so $2750 effective stacks.

6handed 5/10nl

1 fold, Villain calls, Hero raises Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to $45, 3 folds, Villain calls.

$105~ J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain checks, Hero bets $80, Villain raises to $172.50, Hero calls?? or raise?

$450~ 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villain checks, Hero bets $333?, Villain raises to $1449, Hero Shoves?

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

ewww

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

ye, im lost, how would u play it?

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

trips are overrated
check turn

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

ya, i would against about 95% of the players i play against...but this guy is retarded, you still check turn?

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

play same and shove turn

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

Pretty easy call imo.

People tend to bet this turn with trips, and check it when they're bluffing. XXY board are popular to c/r bluff.

I think hes spazzing out here enough to make this EV+.

btw I hate b/f. If you're betting it's with the intention to snap call.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

don't tell me he had TT?!?

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

I'd have to see a couple of his other hands, but if he's as splashy as you've described, then b/c this turn seems right. Esp because there are a bunch of trips he might think are the nuts.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

Not a fistpump but I'm happy enough shoving.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

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ewww

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Jesus Christ, yeah, ewww. Seriously, what are we ahead of here? J9/KQ/AA? This is filthy, I don't know if I have the balls to get it in here as even a monkey thinks before committing $2700, right? I hate to say it but I think it's a fold . . . fack . . .

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

i fold this vs most donks.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

commence fistpump

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

For sure call the flop.

I much prefer checking the turn and figuring it out from there. I wouldn't bet the turn this deep against a player who loves taking really unorthodox lines. Also, this type of player is unlikely to put you on a hand range (if he even knows what the hell that means) when you check the turn and bet the river. As played, I would seriously consider folding to that huge turn raise.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

I would have put in another raise on the flop, but that might not have worked for you if you haven't already been doing that to combat his constant check/raising. Turn is gross since he raised so much.. I guess he could have KQdd, and at least you are always drawing live here so I don't mind stacking off but don't like it much.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

Everyone saying check the turn is being so results oriented its ridiculous

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

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Everyone saying check the turn is being so results oriented its ridiculous

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ldo

beyond that, this isn't a fist pump situation, but you have to get it in here.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

yeah, anyone who says check the turn should just quit poker now

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

i raelly didn't like shoving at first, but i thought about it more, and i think it's the best play...still not thrilled about it though

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

I'm fistpumping given description of villain....

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

thx for replies, villain had KJs but im pretty sure he plays stuff like J5s exactly the same way.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

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trips are overrated
check turn

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Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

This is such an easy turn check. you have marginal trips super deep. his line looks like a boat owning you. as played i would fold, but I think you REALLY need to check the turn.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

did u even read my whole OP or any other replies to this thread?

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

i read your OP but only first few replies in the thread. villan sounds like a thinking lag who takes you out your comfort zone, albeit he plays kinda weird

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

now i read the rest of the thread. for those who say bet/call turn, yea sure vs a super donk, but is this guy a super donk? No, hes prob some drunken high stakes player owning OP.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

oh, and just cuz you check turn doesnt mean you cant raise river.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

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oh, and just cuz you check turn doesnt mean you cant raise river.

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it kind of does

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

why jfish?

edit: because you are trying to induce from air with a turn check? or because you are pot controlling. i think i answered my own question.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

well youre checking behind becaues youre playing cautiously vs a certain range (which you suspect might be strong). when you raise river, that kind of defies the reason you checked behind on the turn in the first place.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

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yeah, anyone who says check the turn should just quit poker now

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Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

If you check turn to induce a bluff and he leads river into you with a PSB I think it's suicide to raise river.

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

I like a flop call to let him carry on bluffing. I like a turn bet as our hand is probably good. Once he raises it's sometimes shove sometimes call (and call or bet river); I don't think we can fold.

Stats would be useful - how loose is he exactly?

Re: Should i be Fistpumping? 5/10nl 270bb deep. vs donk
 

I actually like checking behind the turn. And I don't think that is being results oriented. I think after he c/r-es the flop and checks the turn, he is either going to c/r or c/f. Both of which we don't really want. If he c/r-es we are in the position we are in and pretty unhappy. If he c/f we lose a lot of value.