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duh 09-10-2007 03:12 AM

Instamuck?
 
MP is a fish who got stacked by a fish 1 hand earlier.
SB is a winning regular 20/16 Bouge_Todd.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($400)
BB ($735.20)
UTG ($618.90)
MP ($441.30)
CO ($105.25)
Hero ($394)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $402</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP folds, Hero ???

FionnMac 09-10-2007 03:14 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
Call and win the flip vs AK.

duh 09-10-2007 03:21 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
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Call and win the flip vs AK.

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what about the rest of his range?

JEFF or DAD 09-10-2007 03:49 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
call....lol

LucidDream 09-10-2007 03:52 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
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Call and win the flip vs AK.

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what about the rest of his range?

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ur on the button...disregard it

jj12 09-10-2007 04:26 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
You are calling 344 to win 809. You need to be 42.5% equity.


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 114030168 626394.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 172384116 626394.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

Surely his range is a skewed enough towards AK to make this a marginal call. You probably have like 45% equity and need to call.

LucidDream 09-10-2007 04:30 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
u need to add JJ to that

FionnMac 09-10-2007 04:31 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
Seriously tho, lots of regs 4-bet smaller with AA in particular, and KK too, i think AK is by far his most likely hand. Now and then you will see some random pocket pair or suited ace too.

Episteme 09-10-2007 04:51 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
insta...call

duh 09-10-2007 05:00 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
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u need to add JJ to that

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And AA!

d2themfi 09-10-2007 05:05 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
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u need to add JJ to that

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And AA!

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KK+= KK, and AA

Episteme 09-10-2007 05:45 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 27440794 945878.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 30598090 945878.00 { KK+, QcQd, JJ, AKs, AKo }


Considering a 4bet shove is way more common in practice w/ a hand like AK than AA (not just in terms of hand distributions, but in terms of how people actually play the hand), you can weight this range toward AK even more than what the simulation reflects. You have an easy call.

duh 09-10-2007 06:02 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
IMO, under normal circumstances JJ/QQ arn't in this player's shoving range. However MP could be steaming, and I'm not sure how that affects Villans range.

Episteme 09-10-2007 06:26 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
Yeah, the point is that it's a pretty easy math problem. Since you were at the table, you would know best what the circumstances at the table were and how that affected villain's range. If you play around with PokerStove enough these decisions aren't that hard. You just have decide which hands are in the range and go w/ it

simuk 09-10-2007 07:45 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
Call and find out what he has. Then there is no maths.

G_Dollaz 09-10-2007 08:17 AM

Re: Instamuck?
 
I don't even remember this hand, what did I have? PM me if u don't wanna post results yet...


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