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25/50/100/200 Live

This is kind of a strange hand.

It's a private game in Vancouver, and Villain is somewhat of an accomplished live pro, by Vancouver standards. He's a LAG-ish older (40 years?) asian guy who plays a lot of pots and rarely if ever folds when he is 3bet preflop. He's a typical old, loose asian guy. He understands he should play more hands in position than out of position, but probably doesnt understand why. He'll play ATC on the button, because, as he puts it... "I godda button babby." I think he's wealthy outside of poker, as I'm not sure he's capable of being a big winner. He's not afraid of running bluffs, but in the really big pots he seems to usually have it.

It's only my third time in the game and we're playing bigger than normal. Usually we play 10/25 with an optional straddle. This time it was 25/50 and somewhere through the night the 100 straddle became mandatory and people were given the option to double straddle to 200. (Most people were doing it).

It goes without saying that the action started getting good, and between the 6 of us there was almost 200K at the table. I'm a 5-10NL grinder online, but this game is much softer than the 1KNL at any site (even party). The whole group kind of views me as a young, internet kid that 3bets too much - and because of it they seem to pay me off in big pots. I'm really not even playing that laggy, probably somewhere around 26/22. Villain even recently made some random comment about how he cant wait to crack me because all I do is 3bet whenever I'm bored (or something retarded like that. He's also tilting a bit as he's lost a tonne of small pots in a row and swears he's not gonna give me the opportunity to bluff him again. I think this might be important.

Anyway, effective stacks are 40K. (I have 60K, from an initial buyin of 10K, and a reload of 15 when I busted my KK to another guys AK All in preflop)

Theres no double straddle in this hand, as villain "forgot." I dno how true that is , or if it matters. He had usually been doing it.

Villain raises utg to 500. One call. Actions to me on the button and I have black aces. I make it 2200 straight and villain snap calls, slamming his chips into the pot. The MP cold caller thinks for a long while and mucks.

Flop comes J82 rainbow. Completely dry.

Villain leads into me for 5k. (slightly larger than pot sized bet. I've yet to see him do this with a monster. In fact, I dont think he realizes a bet/3bet line exists.

I tank for a while, and smooth call.

The turn is another 2, completing the rainbow. He stares at the board blankly for a while. Then without too much though puts the rest of his chips in.

Its just over 30K to me (into a pot of about 15K). He knows I'm on case money, but I could really see him raising and calling my preflop 3 bet with any 2.

What should I do? (I'm more interested in turn decision, and not as much the flop flat call, as I had reasons that I think are valid).

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With description of villain I think I stack off here. Seems like he has QQ or something but I don't know if he will smooth you or 4 bet you pre with big made hands.

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lol this is like the worlds easiest call, even for all ur money

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villain has KK QQ here

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lol this is like the worlds easiest call, even for all ur money

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sorry he had Jacks. BBV?

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The real beat is that they most likely raked 8k from this pot (assuming he called). Post at 604 and you will get better responses as some people will personally know Villain.

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Alright good.

Since everyone is in agreement theres no need to wait on results.

I snapped it, and he showed the other 2 aces. Thought he played it really, really weird.

The interesting part is how he went on for a good half hour, about how terrible my call was. I just let him continue rambling on until he actually started polling the other players, on whether or not they thought it was a bad call. I told him I'd post the hand and let HSNL decide. Unfortunately, he doesnt know or care what 2p2 is.

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get your money in as fast as you can.

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Fist pump, point index finger to sky, etc.

Also, don't tell live fish about 2+2.

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Alright good.

Since everyone is in agreement theres no need to wait on results.

I snapped it, and he showed the other 2 aces. Thought he played it really, really weird.

The interesting part is how he went on for a good half hour, about how terrible my call was. I just let him continue rambling on until he actually started polling the other players, on whether or not they thought it was a bad call. I told him I'd post the hand and let HSNL decide. Unfortunately, he doesnt know or care what 2p2 is.

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so he was bluffing? lol

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to be honest, he probably doesnt even know.

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Alright good.

Since everyone is in agreement theres no need to wait on results.

I snapped it, and he showed the other 2 aces. Thought he played it really, really weird.

The interesting part is how he went on for a good half hour, about how terrible my call was. I just let him continue rambling on until he actually started polling the other players, on whether or not they thought it was a bad call. I told him I'd post the hand and let HSNL decide. Unfortunately, he doesnt know or care what 2p2 is.

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so he was bluffing? lol

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it's amazing how live morons do this [censored] after hands where they get called and lose. i love to hear them after they bet the river with a marginal hand (they usually think it's for value i guess...they probably dont really know themselves), get called by a better hand and then explode about how you could make that call- "what did you think i was representing?!" [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] live poker

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i cant believe i read that story for the easeist decision in the world.

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the only things you did wrong were probably took more than 0.1secs to call, and discuss the hand after

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i cant believe i read that story for the easeist decision in the world.

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You should have dislocated your shoulder with the fist pump on this one

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i cant believe i read that story for the easeist decision in the world.

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i kinda liked the story

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given description, reads, image, and stacks, I think pf should be closer to $3k.

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Sucks he happened to have the other two aces.

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ummm beat him into the pot?

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I'm just thinking of his logic of shoving 2x pot with AA but your call is terrible. So is he trying to fold out like 88?

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I'm just thinking of his logic of shoving 2x pot with AA but your call is terrible. So is he trying to fold out like 88?

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lol

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I'm just thinking of his logic of shoving 2x pot with AA but your call is terrible. So is he trying to fold out like 88?

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lol

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Trying to fold the split obv.
It's a wonder any of you guys actually win at poker.

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I call very fast. I mean you made it 2200 pre-flop with aces with a 40k stack. You really should be looking to get all your chips in on any safe board and this constitutes a safe board.

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I call very fast. I mean you made it 2200 pre-flop with aces with a 40k stack. You really should be looking to get all your chips in on any safe board and this constitutes a safe board.

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Maybe with 10k but with 30k nono. Trading your opponents small preflop mistake in a 3k pot its not even a mistake if he has any pp) for our bigger mistake in a 60k pot is not a good deal. Its like saying "well he didnt have the odds to draw to that flush on the turn so even though I think he has it I call that push" on the river.

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So did they rake 8k from the pot or not???