ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

i've been on the [censored] end of kk to aa 4 times now this month in 50k hands and on the good end of it only once. so wtf why are you guys folding kk pf?

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

had a similar discussion, because I had KK vs AA about 15 times in 60k hands and only once AA vs KK so it really pisses me off.

(today twice again)

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hehe

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I dont fold KK unless its like 4 raises in front of me.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

Preflop? Never.

Unless given a very very very good reason.

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If someone flips over and shows me they have aces I will fold preflop if I'm not getting 5-1 to call, otherwise never.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

plase read this thread
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...part=1&vc=1

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

some of you seem to be missing the point.

i'm not asking if i should fold i'm asking which one of you is folding kk since i'm hardly ever on the good side of the kk to aa.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

I have folded QQ pf twice of FT and i have folded KK 1 time, and i have folded AA 2 times...

First time i ever folded AA pf, it was a MAJOR accident (i was multitabling....), a 4 allins before me totaling 125$ at a 25$NL accident...nearly [censored] myself when i did it...woulda flopped trips and turned quads.....

2nd time i was in a 8$ tourney with with 5600 chips left and 2 from cashing. blinds were 300-600 and i was button and there were 4ppl in the hand for over 12k each and 2 of them were all in. hands were 1010-JJ-KK-AA, flop was 10-10-x.....i cashed and ended up making final table.

so much for aces.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

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i've been on the [censored] end of kk to aa 4 times now this month in 50k hands and on the good end of it only once. so wtf why are you guys folding kk pf?

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Before this thread gets hijacked into another discussion of when it might be right to fold KK preflop, and why we changed the SSNL FAQ to say that it is usually wrong to fold KK preflop (rather than always wrong), it's worth answering the initial question.

I don't think people are folding KK preflop often. It would help if you state the stakes you play, and the sizes of raises and reraises you make, but I think there is a combination of two factors. First, your sample is only 5 hands, and it's really not much of a surprise to be on the wrong side 4 out of 5 times. Second, many people take different lines with KK and AA than just raising without end preflop. Some players will just call a raise or reraise with KK, figuring that almost all of the money will go in anyway against AA, but that taking a flop will get more value out of QQ or AK or garbage. You have a small amount of evidence that people are more likely to slow down preflop with KK than AA.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

folding QQ preflop isn't a big deal at all

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I have to say I am not one that will fold KK pf. I will play it aggressively to narrow the field. The reason I see many people getting KK and AA cracked is they don't want to throw them away. If the board looks scary, then toss em.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

There have been too many discussions about it. NEVER FOLD KK FOR 100BB.

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http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8...foldzb1rw1.jpg

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Not this guy...I'd be riding KK to the bitter end

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Wished I'd folded them twice this morning. Lost two big pots to trips both times in half hour.

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I have been on the smarting end of KK vs AA many times recently. In fact it has been a huge part of my recent breakeven streak (technically I am still winning but at a rate far lower than standard across well over 100K hands prior). The other part of my streak has to do with my running AA/KK into hands like TT-QQ and them getting VERY lucky after committing all their chips. Bleh and bleh.

I figure here in the next month or so I am bound to come back with a vengeance.

Re: ok which one of yall is folding kk pf?
 

The only time I think it really makes sense is in satellite tournaments near the buuble where ITM means you get a ticket and there is 0 value in placing higher(assuming you can coast to the money, might as well sit out). Even in regular tournaments the best play is to get your money in and build your stack (although I admit sometimes I chicken out and just try to cash but not with AA/KK) In a cash game I don't see how you fold unless as others mentioned there are more than 2 all ins ahead of you and it would still be hard.