Villain\'s river play any good?
 

Villain is a FTP regular. I'll give his name if anyone cares. He's likely a winner but too aggressive in dumb spots.

He checkraises ace-high flops pretty liberally in general.

Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results:
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Hero shows Kc, Ac (two pair, Aces and Tens).
Button doesn't show.
BB shows Qs, 9c (a pair of Tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.75 BB.
($3.00 Rake)
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Obviously it doesn't look great, but I thought I was smoked on the river by either diamonds with a ten or complete air (on the flop) with a ten. Is his play any good? (Not vs. my specific hand, but vs. my range.)

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His river play is horrific. Your play looks like an A from start to finish and no one ever folds top pair. His turn play is lol too.

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Only an A? What about 99+? The thing is there's not much of a difference between 99 and AK when he checkraises the river, but most people don't understand that and will be much more prone to fold KK than AK.

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His river play is horrific. Your play looks like an A from start to finish and no one ever folds top pair. His turn play is lol too.

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My thoughts exactly...

So who was villian?

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what is he repping?

I can see T8 maybe making sense.

Any Hero with half a brain will call bs and throw in a wtf call with any pair here

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Only an A? What about 99+? The thing is there's not much of a difference between 99 and AK when he checkraises the river, but most people don't understand that and will be much more prone to fold KK than AK.

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Given the action, I don't think I've ever seen anyone bet/fold this river.

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Ya Oink that's the problem, he's only repping some crap he backdoored into. Maybe I'm just retarded.

Villain is Shuxer, V4P.

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His river play is horrific. Your play looks like an A from start to finish and no one ever folds top pair. His turn play is lol too.

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Yeah I don't understand how a T is remotely believable.

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Yea, he can be pretty spazzy, especially against fellow TAGs. I'd never fold this river vs him

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I think villain's play here is to check/fold the flop. Certainly for hero calling the river is a no-brainer.

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10x of diamonds?

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I think villain's play here is to check/fold the flop. Certainly for hero calling the river is a no-brainer.

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flop c/r is fine.

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3b flop plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wow

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I think villain's play here is to check/fold the flop. Certainly for hero calling the river is a no-brainer.

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flop c/r is fine.

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Why? I c/f because I have no pair and no draw, not even a backdoor draw. The ace high flop hits hero's range often and rarely is KK/QQ folding, especially if hero knows that villain liberally check-raises ace high flops.

Rather frequently villain gets 3-bet on the flop, or else gets called and then raised on the turn when he is drawing dead. Also, he has to commit to betting the turn and sometimes even the river as a desperate 3 barrel bluff. Generally when called on the flop hero is seeing a showdown. So really, the only value to this play is getting hero to fold to a check-raise on the flop. If I am going to make this play, I'll at least have a gutshot or backdoor flush draw, something.

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I think villain's play here is to check/fold the flop. Certainly for hero calling the river is a no-brainer.

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flop c/r is fine.

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Why? I c/f because I have no pair and no draw, not even a backdoor draw. The ace high flop hits hero's range often and rarely is KK/QQ folding, especially if hero knows that villain liberally check-raises ace high flops.

Rather frequently villain gets 3-bet on the flop, or else gets called and then raised on the turn when he is drawing dead. Also, he has to commit to betting the turn and sometimes even the river as a desperate 3 barrel bluff. Generally when called on the flop hero is seeing a showdown. So really, the only value to this play is getting hero to fold to a check-raise on the flop. If I am going to make this play, I'll at least have a gutshot or backdoor flush draw, something.

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Well it would be good if hero opened OTB or the CO. But a lot of villains range misses this flop and he often folds right away.

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Villain played this hand horribly.

You're never betting that river without a hand that can stand a checkraise. Terrible bluff spot considering the board texture (missed draws, etc.)

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I put villian on Q9

also why arent we 3balling the flop

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His river play is horrific. Your play looks like an A from start to finish and no one ever folds top pair. His turn play is lol too.

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River move by villain is pretty lame. As Oink said, at the very least you're getting wtf-called really frequently here.

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I put villian on Q9

also why arent we 3balling the flop

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I'm assuming villain is most likely c/r'ing flop with a four-flush, and the plan is to pop a non-flush turn.

Is this correct?

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I put villian on Q9

also why arent we 3balling the flop

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I'm assuming villain is most likely c/r'ing flop with a four-flush, and the plan is to pop a non-flush turn.

Is this correct?

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Ya. Given hero's position and this board Id say that calling flop and popping non d turn &gt; 3-bet flop.

It also allows villain to fire turn with air

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I put villian on Q9

also why arent we 3balling the flop

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I'm assuming villain is most likely c/r'ing flop with a four-flush, and the plan is to pop a non-flush turn.

Is this correct?

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Ya. Given hero's position and this board Id say that calling flop and popping non d turn &gt; 3-bet flop.

It also allows villain to fire turn with air

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Yea, wtf @ 3 betting the flop vs a guy thats known to take shots at A high boards. Also, if we have a read that he's taking shots at this flop a lot, shouldnt we be raising any turn(even a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) or the river?

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Villain misplayed every postflop street IMO.