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jeffnc 03-11-2007 01:24 AM

Reloading in NL
 
This is a question about live vs. online. Online I always keep "topped off" at the table max. Live this isn't so easy. Is there any non-obnoxious way to do this? Only hundred dollar bills play in cash (wherever I've played), so you can't keep throwing $5 bills on the table. You could keep some chips under your chair in a rack I guess, and keep pulling them out. Not sure how the dealer would think about this. Not sure how everyone at the table would appreciate constantly telling the dealer you want more chips, either.

ICE TREY 03-11-2007 01:51 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
i mean don't do it if you are 5 under the max... if its a 500 max and you get to 400 just reload... its not that hard

terp 03-11-2007 01:53 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
keep chips in your pocket but don't reload as often as you would online. i'd guess that 5% of a buyin wouldn't be too often/obnoxious. i'd try to be discrete because it's going to look fairly nitty and alert people that you're grinding and not gambling.

GrinningBuddha 03-11-2007 06:03 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
I buy an extra stack of red when I play the 200NL game at my local casino and stick it in a pocket or somewhere out of sight. When the action is elsewhere, I'll discreetly grab the number of chips I need to reload and start playing with them like I do when I have a full stack. Unless someone is watching me constantly, I doubt they even notice that I reload from say, $190 to 200.

It may look nitty if someone notices, but if you don't play nitty, I don't think people will give it a second thought. The benefits outweigh the drawbacks, IMO.

ICE TREY 03-11-2007 06:32 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
haha what a nit... start playing better, move up, play uncapped games, buy in for a crapload, problem solved.

phiphika1453 03-11-2007 07:55 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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I buy an extra stack of red when I play the 200NL game at my local casino and stick it in a pocket or somewhere out of sight. When the action is elsewhere, I'll discreetly grab the number of chips I need to reload and start playing with them like I do when I have a full stack. Unless someone is watching me constantly, I doubt they even notice that I reload from say, $190 to 200.

It may look nitty if someone notices, but if you don't play nitty, I don't think people will give it a second thought. The benefits outweigh the drawbacks, IMO.

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LOL, this is too much. If its capped lets try to reload around 75-80% of buyin.

otter 03-11-2007 02:45 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
It doesn't just look nitty, it is nitty

albedoa 03-11-2007 03:45 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
Grabbing a few chips from your pocket while you're just sitting around doing nothing anyway requires no effort and maximizes the amount you can win against bad players. If this is nitty, then checking the "automatically reload" box online is also nitty, which makes most of us huge nits.

spino1i 03-11-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
This is what I do all the time. I normally just add an extra hundred dollar bill/chip or two everytime I go low on chips.

canis582 03-11-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
Does the Bellagio still have the rule where the NL games have 'a' buyin? When I was there two years ago, the 2-5 was 200 min 200 max.

GrinningBuddha 03-11-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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haha what a nit... start playing better, move up, play uncapped games, buy in for a crapload, problem solved.

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Not all of us are blessed with uncapped games and we have to deal with capped buyins. Since I feel I have an edge over most of my opponents, why would I leave money on the table by not staying topped off? Besides, it's not like my opponents are paying any attention to anything but their own hands; that's why the games are so good... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Rick Nebiolo 03-11-2007 05:43 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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haha what a nit... start playing better, move up, play uncapped games, buy in for a crapload, problem solved.

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Why would you do this in cases where the capped or spread buy games are better/softer?

~ Rick

Packard 03-11-2007 07:07 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
Good points made by some already here. Just have a palm of reds in your pockets and palm some more during a flop you are not in and add to your stack. Even if one person sees, it is legal to do and if people see it, they usuallylike it because it's more cash on the table for the game.

GTL 03-11-2007 10:43 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
ummm, double up then your problems are solved.

F0rtysxity 03-11-2007 10:47 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
if you are going to be a nit (and yes live players do things a little differently so this does look nittish) then go all the way with it. i'd suggest having an extra stack of $5 chips and place them on the bumper (out of play) and just take a chip or two off of it every time you get low. you'll get hassled but in the end it will just be another crazy poker story/ event which poker players in general love.

i personally would suggest getting a couple of $25 chips and putting them in your pocket. then if you ever go down by $50 you can put them in play.

GTL 03-11-2007 10:57 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
i think topping off doesn't make you out to be as nitty as some are implying. when i play 5-10nl live with a 1k cap i always top off when i drop to 900. i just slide another bill behind the stack. you could also just keep some blacks in your pocket. this is the same as topping to 500 when you hit 450 in a 2-5nl game. no one has ever hassled me or called me a nit for adding hundos to my stack in 5-10nl. don't worry about it.

jeffnc 03-11-2007 11:27 PM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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haha what a nit... start playing better, move up, play uncapped games, buy in for a crapload, problem solved.

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Why would you do this in cases where the capped or spread buy games are better/softer?

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Because then he couldn't come here and makes posts that make him look so super cool.

Thanks all for the (serious) replies!

ICE TREY 03-12-2007 04:20 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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haha what a nit... start playing better, move up, play uncapped games, buy in for a crapload, problem solved.

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Why would you do this in cases where the capped or spread buy games are better/softer?

~ Rick

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I don't think that case exists i.e. i don't think there is a casino where if you can beat the uncapped game for a solid win rate your hourly could possibly be any higher at the lower stakes capped game.

Rick Nebiolo 03-12-2007 04:47 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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haha what a nit... start playing better, move up, play uncapped games, buy in for a crapload, problem solved.

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Why would you do this in cases where the capped or spread buy games are better/softer?

~ Rick

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I don't think that case exists i.e. i don't think there is a casino where if you can beat the uncapped game for a solid win rate your hourly could possibly be any higher at the lower stakes capped game.

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Of course if you can beat a higher blind no max NL game for big $$$ there's no smaller capped buy game that can possibly be better for you. But for many people the capped games simply provide a better risk/reward ratio at this moment in their poker career. And in the end many go to play the larger blind, uncapped games when they are ready. That's why it's so great that LA has plenty of both.

~ Rick

ICE TREY 03-12-2007 05:10 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
you could just buy in short to the uncapped cape... same risk reward if you can beat it just as well...

Rick Nebiolo 03-12-2007 05:35 AM

Re: Reloading in NL
 
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you could just buy in short to the uncapped cape... same risk reward if you can beat it just as well...

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No disagreement here. Buying in short when the deep stacks are gambling and pushing each other off hands is a great spot for the short stack who understands how to play it. It's an especially good strategy if your BR doesn't allow the typical buy-in for the deep stack game (which in LA typically have bigger blinds).

Still, there's nothing like playing a long session in a capped buy game where you have developed the massive stack and the other fairly deep stacks don't play that well (especially with a deep stack). If a tough deep stack player walks by an open seat in "your" game he's going to have to start with a small stack meaning he will usually pass. In a sense "your" game is protected from "deep water" sharks.

My guess is we really don't disagree on much over the last few posts here.

Regards,

Rick


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