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do u go all in with AA against 2 opponents no matter what?

stop making these stupid threads.

i meant pre-flop*** sry

Yes.

Assuming this is a cash game, then with any number of opponents you should be happy to go all-in preflop.

There are rare tournament conditions where you can make more money on average by folding AA than by playing multi-way, but they are very rare - and completely dependent on the payout structure and the number of players left. As an extreme example, let's say you are at a final table with $50 in chips, there are 4 players left, and the payout is $1200 for first, $550 for second, $250 for third, and nothing for fourth. Each of the other players has exactly $650. For some reason, all three other players get all-in before you have to act, and you have AA. If you fold, you are very likely to win $550 for second unless somebody in the hand chops the pot. Even if one player is knocked out and the other two chop, you still make $250 for third. But if you call, even against random hands, you are 40% to get nothing, and 60% to only increase your stack to $200 where you still have a good chance of taking 4th place and winning nothing.

No I don't think I'd go all in no matter what. If I am up against agressive but smart players they will understand I have a huge hand and prolly lay down. But if one of them catches on the flop I know they will prolly push and I can stack one of them like that instead of maybe getting a couple folds preflop.

IMO there is no "do X everytime" type of play. You have to look at the situation and make the play accordingly.

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do u go all in with AA against 2 opponents no matter what?

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Against bad players, the following might be a case of FPS (Fancy Play Syndrom).

However, against smart players that can get reads, especially smart players that take notes, Harrington, in HOH1, recommends that you randomize your play, that is, alternate both raise sizes, and raising or calling, with the same hand.

With AA, the reasoning is simple, yet profound: If you always raise with aces, "they'll know that when you call, you don't have aces". (Harrington on Hold 'em, Volume 1, page 53).

In the section of the book entitled "Pursuing a Balanced Strategy", Harrington dicusses both alternating raise sizes, and how to randomize rasies and calls.

For the record, I play $5 SNG, and I would only call with aces when trapping a very agressive player (see the previous post). I just finished a SNG with a guy who was raising preflop with almost half of his hands.

At that level, there aren't a lot of people getting reads or taking copious notes, in fact, a lot of the good online players are probably too busy multitabling to take a lot of notes--one of the reasons I don't like to mutitable, as I take detailed notes.

So yes, against an aggresive player that will do the betting for you, limp your aces and let him hang himself.

One more caveat--of course, if you limp and the board has obvious straight or flush draws, don't get cute, go ahead and take the pot down.

i interpreted the OP as asking whether you're willing to go all-in pre-flop with AA.... and basically yes, always in cash games unless it's your entire bankroll, in which case why are you playing??...... but not very optimal to just go initiate all-in pre-flop unless it's pretty short-stacked or the players are very bad.

would be long story, but i had intense pain with AA pre-flop in qualifier where 20 players qualify. doesn't matter 1-20. there are definitely situations where it doesn't make sense. in my intense painful moment though, i wasn't really "safe" for one of the 20 spots, so maybe it wasn't that big a deal.

If you have to call 2 allins with AA, then yes.

But dont push allin PF without gauging the other players first.

You can always make up a scenario where it may be best to fold AA pre-flop. However, what is the point you are trying to get at? Do you have AA a lot and don't know whether it is good pre flop ???

LOL, this was originally a PLO question, but it was phrased so badly that we shunted it on to the beginner's forum. It's funny seeing people try to answer it for hold'em though.

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LOL, this was originally a PLO question, but it was phrased so badly that we shunted it on to the beginner's forum. It's funny seeing people try to answer it for hold'em though.

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There was no way, based on the question as asked, to know it wasn't about hold'em, but yeah we're so dumb LOLZ. You crazy PLO guys really pulled a humdinger of a good one on us.

Did you hear the one about the hold'em guys trying to answer the PLO question?

Instant classic imo.

hahaha sry everyone my english suck it seems like nobody understood my question i m asking for PLO with AAxx do u go all in against 2 opponents and is this a winning play in the long run?

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hahaha sry everyone my english suck it seems like nobody understood my question i m asking for PLO with AAxx do u go all in against 2 opponents and is this a winning play in the long run?

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I misinterpreted your question to be "If 2 players are all-in in front of me, should I ever fold AA in a NLHE cash game?"

AA is about a 60% favorite vs 2 opponents all in preflop unless its up against another AA, but I thought you were wondering if you should go all in as "only" a 60% favorite? Actually, I thought it was a pretty silly question, but I tried to answer the obvious "yes" without being too critical.

I did not interpret it as "if two players limp should I always push AA preflop," because that seems even sillier than "should I ever fold AA if 2 players are all in preflop."

However, now that you have clarified that this is about PLO with AAxx, I should say that I have no idea what to do. My guess is that you have to find a PLO PokerStove equivalent and run the numbers to get your equity relative to your pot odds to decide if its +EV to call 2-all-ins preflop. And PLO High-Low Split probably has a lot different equity figures than PLO High depending on what your xx cards are.

I also ran an example on twodimes.net and found that AAxx isn't even the best hand in many cases.

cards %win %lose %tie EV
5s Ac Ad 2h 28.98 71.02 0.00 0.290
7s 6s 9h 8h 40.53 59.45 0.01 0.405
Qc Jc Tc Qd 30.47 69.52 0.01 0.305

lol, I don't really understand this game, but if I had 5s Ac Ad 2h and the other 2 players turned their cards face up and went all in preflop, but I had exactly 2:1 pot odds to call after the rake, then I'd fold because it'd be a -EV call. But in a real hand where you have to put people on a range of hands and act based on that range, I have no idea if you should call or fold with AAxx if xx are trash cards.

Isn't OP just asking if a player shoudl be willing to get all his money in PF with AA against multiple opponents? The answer is yes, you want as much money in the pot when you are good, and PF with Aces you are always good.

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Isn't OP just asking if a player shoudl be willing to get all his money in PF with AA against multiple opponents? The answer is yes, you want as much money in the pot when you are good, and PF with Aces you are always good.

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No, he's asking if it's always good to get all in preflop vs two opponents in pot limit Omaha with AAxx.