weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

$5/$10 Limit Holdem
5 players

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$37.04</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$111.00</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$41.09</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$595.75</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$505.23</font>)

Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is SB 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $5, CO calls $5, BTN calls $5, Hero calls $3, BB checks

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($25, 5 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $5</font>, 1 fold, CO calls $5, BTN calls $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($45, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $10</font>,

i am bet/folding the turn. thoughts on this also?


on the river i am:
- bet/folding any 2,3,J,Q,K,A
- bet/calling any 4 or 9
- check/calling a single bet if the 6 or 7 pairs (most of the time)
- prob folding a 5,8,T

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

I like the hand so far.

River action depends on how many calls you get. I wouldnt c/c anything on a 4-way river and prolly not very often on a 3-way river.

Also, I wouldnt b/c a 4 if river is 3-way and it goes bet - call - raise.

Apart from that I like it. Oh, and nice site and table selection. Ongame?

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

yes, ongame

i agree with you about the 4, i missed the backdoor straight draw there. i like c/c since i cannot bring myself to b/f.

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On multiway rivers I tend to b/f and c/f a lot more and c/c a lot less

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I agree with Oink mostly, I would prolly bet/call a 4 river if the last person to act raised after everyone folded, unless I had a read.

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Wow, I'm surprised no one has advocated a flop fold here. A bet and two calls on this draw-heavy board means that you're either beat now (no kicker) or that there's a huge chance of being outdrawn later in the hand. Isn't there a hand almost identical to this in SSHE where the authors say to fold the flop?

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SSSHers must never fold!

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SSSHers must never fold!

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in the games i play in, calling this flop is pretty bad.

Basically, you are calling this flop hoping for runner runner bricks, and even if that happens, you still might not even have the best hand right now.

The pot is big, but your hand sucks so much, I just can't even call the flop.

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

Is preflop standard with this blind structure?

Checking the flop was good... over calling the flop bet was bad.

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

get out of my games, no TAGs allowed
that means only one. me.

I would play this the same so far, but there is definately an argument for folding the flop. we can easily be behind here and there are a ton of cards that we will hate. this hand is like a draw that is drawing to the 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

to whoever asked, preflop is a must call

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

I would call the flop because you're closing the action and it should be pretty easy to get away on the turn. However there are definitely good arguments for folding as you can very easily be drawing basically dead or have some sketchy 2.5-outer that will face a half-deck redraw on the river if you improve to nines up. Also, while there are really obvious cards to fold on the turn (ten of clubs), pretty much nothing in the deck is a card you want to see, so you may end up making a poor fold or a bad calldown and it will be tough to realize which, being OOP. I can't fault a fold too much.

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fwiw, the BB was slightly overaggressive, and everyone else was awful. something i neglected to mention.

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Unfortunatly, by taking this line you've pretty much announced your hand as weak, making it a target for tricky players.

I'd prefer to just bet the flop and asses what to do when the action comes back to me , it may be a personal preference but I feel like I get more information this way.. If your not comfortable you are ahead/behind, you'll at least know to fold on certain scare cards on future streets. It's pretty close however compared to the way you played it.
BTW in a full ring I'd probabily just give it up. In short handed games you get a lot of 50-60 VPIP players that can just have a pair here like K7 etc.. Your ahead more than in a ring game..

The river depends on how many playeres there are, so it's not entirely card dependent.
Heads up I'll often check/call any card that doesnt improve us.. Three/way+ Ill often bet fold any rag card... and check/fold the scare cards.

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I like the flop check with the intention of raising a bet from LP

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good play so far,river i like to bet even overcard will come,and give it up if someone raises

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I like the flop check with the intention of raising a bet from LP

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Agreed. Also, I think I fold preflop in a 2/5 or 1/3 blind structure. yeah, yeah zillion to one, but too often you're going to be in spots just like this, which suck.

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

but it's soooooooooted

ongame is 1/2 structure so I dunno what's up with the converter if OP really plays there

Re: weak-tight or standard flop c/c?
 

the converter im using is in the beta stages and still screwy.

it's a clear call PF given that it's suited and that is is indeed 7 to 1 PF. i hate a flop bet a bet for reasons people have already stated. the CO and button are really horrible and i have them both beat on the turn about 60-70% of the time imo. also, no one in the game is smart enough to see what im doing. the games you guys play in are too tough =D.