Variance: I still play at AP
 

I'm sure I'm not teh only one.

I like their guaranteed low level MTT's. I doubt Seif is using his superuser account to cheat me at a $10 donkament.

Talk me out of it.

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As you say, the chances of you personally being cheated at $10 tournaments are pretty low . . . however, the main reason why you wouldn't want to do this is in case there is a 'run' on AP, i.e. lots of people start withdrawing money because of the scandal, as more people withdraw, more and more people hear about it, lose confidence in AP and start withdrawing themselves . . . AP see all the money leaving, decide to pull the plug and freeze all withdrawals - bye bye bankroll.
Also, there's something a bit retarded about being the type of consumer who continues to do business with a company that you know is corrupt.

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I had $25 on there Tuesday night, bought in at a 50NL table to practice mulitabling away from my usual site and tripled my AP roll. I think I might drop down to $25NL since I have 3 buyins, but if it goes busto, WHO CARES? The money's probably no good anyway! And I will have gotten some practice in w/ one more table than I usually play.

This is money that they gave me, I probably won't be depositing there anytime soon.

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lol why

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As you say, the chances of you personally being cheated at $10 tournaments are pretty low . . . however, the main reason why you wouldn't want to do this is in case there is a 'run' on AP, i.e. lots of people start withdrawing money because of the scandal, as more people withdraw, more and more people hear about it, lose confidence in AP and start withdrawing themselves . . . AP see all the money leaving, decide to pull the plug and freeze all withdrawals - bye bye bankroll.
Also, there's something a bit retarded about being the type of consumer who continues to do business with a company that you know is corrupt.

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Good points, but...

There hasn't been any noticable change in traffic even though teh story made front page headlines. Most players are probably blissfully unaware.

Also, I'm not convinced that the "company" is corrupt just because one or two executives cheated some customers. Even at a company with prolific internal scandals, i.e. Enron, most employees have decent ethics and thought everything was on the up and up. I doubt AP's scandal goes beyond the 2 employees/officials, but I may reconsider if the investigation comes back differently.

I'm sure there are 1 or 2 employees at each competitors' site who would cheat, if they could. It doesn't make the whole company bad. Cheating will always be one of the biggest issues with online poker and it is vigilant players like those in the 2+2 community that keep both players and companies honest.

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To be fair, I think you're probably right that the chances of them going busto seem to be pretty slim now, unless some even bigger scandal surfaces, since as you say the majority of their clientele don't know / don't care about the recent scandal, but it is a small risk so I guess if your bankroll is very big you might not want to risk it.

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Some portion of every dollar you pay in rake is going to Mark Seif, because he secretly owns AP.

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Some portion of every dollar you pay in rake is going to Mark Seif, because he secretly owns AP.

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dude, any american isn't openly admitting to a stake in a gambling web site right now... not because of the scandal.

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Because you are generating money for a company that are known cheats.

It doesn't matter if you are being cheated, it's called standing up for your fellow players and not giving money back to the thieves.

Though if everyone is getting refunded, then f'em. Play it up.

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Nah
I say let the clueless stay clueless.

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There are hundreds of ways a corrupt poker site can skim your money.

AP is a proven corrupt poker site.

AP has done absolutely nothing about it except ask for an 'immediate' audit TWO WEEKS AGO which, according to Mark Seif's latest blog, still hasn't even started! The auditors are only now 'on their way'. It's the worst cover-up since Janet Jackson at the Superbowl.

If being cheated just doesn't bother you 'because its only $10', fine. If fellow players being robbed of millions doesn't bother you either, well... AP loves this easy-going, laid-back new breed of 'poker player'.

I think you should deposit your entire life-savings into an Absolute Poker high-interest VIP account. What could possibly go wrong?

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^^^^^ agree, think of the players who have lost, how long has it been going on for? Why have the destroyed hand histories? Why havent the aloud independent 3rd parties to go in there? Why havent they told us they real management situiation? Need i go on?

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How many trolls are going to make this same retarded thread for attention?

Seriously if I looked I could find you at least 10 of these with identical replies to boot.

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As you say, the chances of you personally being cheated at $10 tournaments are pretty low . . . however, the main reason why you wouldn't want to do this is in case there is a 'run' on AP, i.e. lots of people start withdrawing money because of the scandal, as more people withdraw, more and more people hear about it, lose confidence in AP and start withdrawing themselves . . . AP see all the money leaving, decide to pull the plug and freeze all withdrawals - bye bye bankroll.
Also, there's something a bit retarded about being the type of consumer who continues to do business with a company that you know is corrupt.

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Good points, but...

There hasn't been any noticable change in traffic even though teh story made front page headlines. Most players are probably blissfully unaware.

Also, I'm not convinced that the "company" is corrupt just because one or two executives cheated some customers. Even at a company with prolific internal scandals, i.e. Enron, most employees have decent ethics and thought everything was on the up and up. I doubt AP's scandal goes beyond the 2 employees/officials, but I may reconsider if the investigation comes back differently.

I'm sure there are 1 or 2 employees at each competitors' site who would cheat, if they could. It doesn't make the whole company bad. Cheating will always be one of the biggest issues with online poker and it is vigilant players like those in the 2+2 community that keep both players and companies honest.

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You're missing the point. Part of the rake you pay goes to supporting the lifestyle of a worthless piece of scum, who still owns part of Absolute Poker.

As far as keeping companies honest, vigilant players won't have anywhere near the impact they could have if it's obvious that POS like you will keep supporting corrupt sites and owners regardless of what they do.

Cliff notes: Go away, idiot.

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I still play at AP. Find me a site that matches their rakeback and vip bonues, esp their cash for points and i'l leave.

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So it's all about the money?

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I still play at AP. Find me a site that matches their rakeback and vip bonues, esp their cash for points and i'l leave.

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i like ap a lot for this and because there are some semi bad regulars in the games i play

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Cheating will always be one of the biggest issues with online poker and it is vigilant players like those in the 2+2 community that keep both players and companies honest.

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The thing is, as great as all the people on these forums have been in uncovering the cheating scandal, without an accidental leaking of that 1 hand history Absolute Poker would have never been caught. Therefore, the people of the 2+2 community can't keep them honest.

In fact, the only thing that could keep poker companies honest is the threat that they would lose a significant amount of their customers. But as greedy/ ignorant people like you have proven, along with all the others who still knowingly play at AP, poker companies no longer have to fear losing their business if they get caught stealing money from its customers. Thus, there is nothing keeping poker companies honest.

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At one time, the smallest bit of cheating in poker got you shot or hanged. And now, after stealing millions, not only are people willing to forgive and forget in the blink of an eye, but they even will keep coming back and bringing more of their money to the same cheater.

How things have changed!



I'm definitely going to plan my retirement in Costa Rica now.

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*cough*softgames*cough*

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I can't believe people still play on AP. This why we can't have nice things.

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And the people who play there because of "soft games" greedily sacrifice the greater good of the online poker community (i.e. any chance of making sure online poker companies stay honest) for a few extra bucks.

I don't know how I'd ever be able to sleep at night if I played at AP, knowing (some of) what they have done and how they have gone unpunished. But if I did knowingly play there, I'd rather it be because I'm an ignorant bastard, not a greedy one.

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*cough*softgames*cough*

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And the people who play there because of "soft games" greedily sacrifice the greater good of the online poker community (i.e. any chance of making sure online poker companies stay honest) for a few extra bucks.

I don't know how I'd ever be able to sleep at night if I played at AP, knowing (some of) what they have done and how they have gone unpunished. But if I did knowingly play there, I'd rather it be because I'm an ignorant bastard, not a greedy one.

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but somehow you dont care a bit about pple with gambling problems getting deeper into trouble by donating theyr lent money to you? Seriously I dont give a [censored]. I happely play someone till he is broke if i got the chance. Even if hes family just died, he got fired and is totally drunk and will regret it.
whenever there is more money to be made you can find me there. I dont get this 'moral stuff' anyway because im a bot so dont bother.

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As long as you admit to being nothing more than a greedy bastard who doesn't care about the rest of the online poker community. There's always going to be people who only look out for themselves. I mean, even during the Montgomery Bus Boycotts some black people still rode on the buses.
Just don't be mad if you ever get cheated by an online poker site, you gave them every right to do so.

Also, I sure hope you're not a cop- it'd be way too easy to bribe you.