facing raise on super scare turn vs LAG
 

villain is a bad LAG over a small sample
70/35 (avg 4.4 players) and reasonably aggro over ~50 hands

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
3 players
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Pre-flop: (3 players) yourface is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB calls, yourface calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">yourface bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, yourface calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10BB, 2 players)
yourface checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>,

Re: facing raise on super scare turn vs LAG
 

Call river. I would check turn and cll any river though.

LOL, just noticed it was 3way and not HU. I can't see him having a worse hand here very often, but a 70/30 is a 70/30...

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what a joke of flop/turn action. i think it is quite a parlay that he coldcalls flop with something you beat and then raises the turn ace 3-way. obviously it is hard to say "fold" in the face of "70/35," and for this i am sorry.

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what a joke of flop/turn action. i think it is quite a parlay that he coldcalls flop with something you beat and then raises the turn ace 3-way. obviously it is hard to say "fold" in the face of "70/35," and for this i am sorry.

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I was going to post something similar, but couldnt bring myself to advocate folding flopped top pair vs a a guy with these stats. Anyway I do think this is a fold.

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call turn fold river?

what do you guys think of MrEngenic's plan of c/c turn and river?
it sounds like a better plan than calling down a turn raise, but maybe not as good as b/c c/f?

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how often do you guys think that villain will raise the turn with a combo draw, or even a bare GS or FD

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call turn fold river?

what do you guys think of MrEngenic's plan of c/c turn and river?
it sounds like a better plan than calling down a turn raise, but maybe not as good as b/c c/f?

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I always check/call turn and any river also.
B/c turn and C/f river is a terrible line since He isn´t going to check river behind with anything that you beat.
By check/calling turn you also get to see how SB responds to a bet from button.

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how often do you guys think that villain will raise the turn with a combo draw, or even a bare GS or FD

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dude, yourface, you need to put a 2-flush or a bigger and more connected 2-str8 *on the flop* in order for us to buy that he's semi-bluffing the turn.

Just cuz you're multiway doesn't mean you need to fire away with a low-equity hand. I'd guess the maniac has your range beat here. Hell you aren't even crushing SB's range. I think check and see is a good line. You may end up sticking in two bets to SD here, but his range likely won't narrow all that much (i.e. there are almost no hands the button will fold when the turn comes an ace--he will be putting money in regardless of what his hand is).

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call turn fold river?

what do you guys think of MrEngenic's plan of c/c turn and river?
it sounds like a better plan than calling down a turn raise, but maybe not as good as b/c c/f?

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This is a fine plan HU, but Im not checking this strong of a hand 3way and as long as you call the river I think you played this hand perfectly. When you dont understand how youre losing dont fold.

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ilp,
what range do you put button on when he raises the turn&gt;

SB is also dumb, 50/15/1 over 100 hands avg 5.6 players

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ilp,
what range do you put button on when he raises the turn&gt;

SB is also dumb, 50/15/1 over 100 hands avg 5.6 players

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Ignore my original post Yourface, for some reason i thought btn open limped. So I was thinking this guy's a maniac and he cant have an ace, which is why I was never folding. In your scenario I would fold the turn. Sorry about the confusion.

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haha damnit
for a while there I thought a good player thought my play was good

I hate folding a showdownable hand vs a retard

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so you think b/f &gt; c/c ?

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haha damnit
for a while there I thought a good player thought my play was good

I hate folding a showdownable hand vs a retard

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You have one opponent on the river and there is only one overcard to your pair. You are getting 10:1. Call. You come out ahead if you win more than one time in ten. I don't think you'll lose more than 90% of the time here.

If you call this turn you should plan to call the river to any non-broadway.

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Why is this not super easy turn fold?

Reasons for fold:
1) 50 hands is not close enough to make any definitive read
2) He raised into 2 opponents not one, making it much more likely he has a made hand
3) There are no draws on the flop. He cold calls 2 on the flop and then raises turn.

What can you possibly beat here?

Re: facing raise on super scare turn vs LAG
 

maybe it is a fold, but with the odds I'm getting I don't see how it can be super easy fold. I am getting the right price to draw vs a lot of his hands

also villain is dumb and the ace is a big scare card. I think he is raising as a semibluff sometimes, though noone else seems to agree with that

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I'm not saying call or fold the turn... but I think if you decide to call the turn, you HAVE to call the river for sure, versus a 70/35.

That said, even a 70/35 usually have something nice when he calls 2 cold on the flop, so perhaps the turn is a fold.