NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

After all these years I still have no clue how to confidently lay down Queens without being weaktight.

Villain was loose, relatively aggressive but didnt do much preflop raising.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($25.35)
Hero ($65.65)
Button ($124.75)
SB ($27.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($10.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $19</font>, Hero calls $11.50.

Turn: ($48.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $10</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $58.75



Should I fold this flop immediately? Should I rather c/c? c/r?

Would my line be the same if the turn was a 2d?

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

I reraise pre flop
Then I fold to another raise.

As played I reraise the flop every time. Also I'm not concerned about the king, so I lead out the turn, or CR turn.

I think that makes it a bit easier to play.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

I don't understand folding the flop?

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

Sorry, maybe my description of villain wasnt so clear. He really didnt raise much preflop. In half an hour maybe one or two hands. I hadnt seen him 3bet at all.

Once he 3bets I range him somwhere around TT+, AQ+

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

Ah right ok. I stil RR pf, and fold to any more raising. That sort of hand is generally easier to play pf imo

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

If you don't 4bet pre-flop then check/raising the flop is better than leading.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

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If you don't 4bet pre-flop then check/raising the flop is better than leading.

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c/r and shut down or fold if called or raised? 4betting and then leading and folding to a shove?

[no undertone here, just asking]

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

I don't mind calling the 3bet here. I think 4betting is turning our already good hand into a bluff. As far as the flop, C/R and committ ourselves to put the chips in the middle is fine.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

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If you don't 4bet pre-flop then check/raising the flop is better than leading.

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c/r and shut down or fold if called or raised? 4betting and then leading and folding to a shove?

[no undertone here, just asking]

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check raise then call a shove or get it in on turn. I might just check/call in this spot sometimes too.


If it gets 4bet pre-flop I'm pretty much getting it in on any non A/K flop.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

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I don't mind calling the 3bet here. I think 4betting is turning our already good hand into a bluff. As far as the flop, C/R and committ ourselves to put the chips in the middle is fine.

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meow, when he is to act he will have ~$15 committed to the pot and is free to choose whether to take our stack or fold? Remember, his range is pretty polarized here and Im 90% positive that he will never call with anything that I have beat.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

i cc flop

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

If you c/c flop are you going to c/f turn?

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

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If you c/c flop are you going to c/f turn?

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that's probably why my thinking is C/Ring flop is better. Not trying to be results oriented, but that's still more outs than I want to concede with a C/C

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

Im not saying c/c flop and c/f turn is bad or good, just curious what he thinks. If the turn was a blank I would probably c/c through river with this hand.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

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If you c/c flop are you going to c/f turn?

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depends on a lot of stuff. with the information given, i think it's probably pretty close between continuing and cf.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

Well I do agree with that, this is pretty marginal either way, but I definitely like to err on the side of calling. I would say c/c c/c c/f but I dont think the stacks allow that assuming villain is betting normal amounts.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

My line in this situation is call pf, c/c flop, c/f turn. If the turn card was different, let's say a blank, c/c turn, and if he fires river, fold.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

If Villain's preflop range is really AQ+, TT+, then you're going to be ahead about 2/3 of the time on that flop.

But that changes, of course, once he flop raises you, and, to be honest, I basically just think it's really hard to know what to do with your QQ versus a seemingly passive preflop player who is 3-betting for the first time in ~50 hands.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

I b/f the flop...most villains at 50nl are just too straightforward thus they don´t make moves in 3bet pots.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

Well, okay. Lots of different views but it seems like its very close either way. Makes me feel less of a donk now.

Re: NL50, QQ in 3bet pot.... the usual
 

Honestly it really depends on villain. Against an unknown like I said my default is to call down. Against an aggro reg Im c/r this flop and getting it in anyway I can.