Playing in retardland...
Villain is running 26/8/3, and is generally terrible IMO
stacks are 1700 effective. i raise AQo UTG to $35, villain minpops to 70 on the button. Flop (Pot: $155) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villain bets 100, I call Turn 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Villain bets 200, I fold Am I completely for thinking that 8 made this a very clear fold? |
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I like a fold but I don't know what the 8 has to do with anything? Is it different to a 9 or a 2 or w/e?
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I like a fold but I don't know what the 8 has to do with anything? Is it different to a 9 or a 2 or w/e? [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing that its because we would be calling in hopes of a split pot? I really have no idea.... I would like some thoughts on that, please. |
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call. decide on the river.
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The only thing the 8 could have changed is making you now even with AJ/AT (if he was RRing light). Against most reasonable villains you would be behind AK/AA/KK here and would be tied with AQ/AJ/AT. I'm not sure QQ would be again. I think a fold is in order on the turn.
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I like a fold but I don't know what the 8 has to do with anything? Is it different to a 9 or a 2 or w/e? [/ QUOTE ] All the hands that were beating us are still beating us, but a lot of the hands we were beating just improved to a split. |
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[ QUOTE ] I like a fold but I don't know what the 8 has to do with anything? Is it different to a 9 or a 2 or w/e? [/ QUOTE ] All the hands that were beating us are still beating us, but a lot of the hands we were beating just improved to a split. [/ QUOTE ] lol I'm dumb and should actually take time to read hands properly before deciding to reply. |
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i think you have to call bc people show up with a whole bunch of retarded stuff, a whole bunch of the time.
at least call the turn. |
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you got disconnected right? thats why your cards folded right? yes?
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i dunno, i just felt that villain is either making a retarded bluff, were chopping or i'm [censored].
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6 combos AK, 1 AA, 3 KK. you beat like loads of retardo hands, A-xs (i know you split but you also have 10% to improve vs them so it's 60/40 not 50/50) and like TT JJ QQ trying to get you off a king.
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i dunno, i just felt that villain is either making a retarded bluff, were chopping or i'm [censored]. [/ QUOTE ] welcome to poker? |
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you got disconnected right? thats why your cards folded right? yes? [/ QUOTE ] That, or the fact that a villain who raises only 8% of his hands, just mini-raised us pf. Sometimes this is crap, but a LOT of the time fish do this with a monster. And when he followed it up by firing two barrels (what is his AF?) I don't think its a terrible fold. How often would this guy fire the river w/ nothing? |
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6 combos AK, 1 AA, 3 KK. you beat like loads of retardo hands, A-xs (i know you split but you also have 10% to improve vs them so it's 60/40 not 50/50) and like TT JJ QQ trying to get you off a king. [/ QUOTE ] villain plays TT JJ QQ like this never |
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imo guy doesn't have AK, he has JJ-AA and his range of JJ/QQ (9) vs AAKK (4) makes this a call... even discounting JJ/QQ like almost 75% this is still a call and counting 100% of AA/KK.
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[ QUOTE ] 6 combos AK, 1 AA, 3 KK. you beat like loads of retardo hands, A-xs (i know you split but you also have 10% to improve vs them so it's 60/40 not 50/50) and like TT JJ QQ trying to get you off a king. [/ QUOTE ] villain plays TT JJ QQ like this never [/ QUOTE ] this is villain specific then.... a lot of villains never play AA/KK/AK like this. |
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why can't villain have AK?
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why can't villain have AK? [/ QUOTE ] preflop cuts it down significantly, most people want to win the pot preflop with AK or will try and trap/slowplay (call). It can be AK, it can be 23o, but from my experience it generally isn't either. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 6 combos AK, 1 AA, 3 KK. you beat like loads of retardo hands, A-xs (i know you split but you also have 10% to improve vs them so it's 60/40 not 50/50) and like TT JJ QQ trying to get you off a king. [/ QUOTE ] villain plays TT JJ QQ like this never [/ QUOTE ] this is villain specific then.... a lot of villains never play AA/KK/AK like this. [/ QUOTE ] basically saying villain isn't going to make a zero value bet on the turn, i don't see why i can't make this assumption |
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imo guy doesn't have AK, he has JJ-AA and his range of JJ/QQ (9) vs AAKK (4) makes this a call... even discounting JJ/QQ like almost 75% this is still a call and counting 100% of AA/KK. [/ QUOTE ] Why is villain firing the turn w/ JJ/QQ? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 6 combos AK, 1 AA, 3 KK. you beat like loads of retardo hands, A-xs (i know you split but you also have 10% to improve vs them so it's 60/40 not 50/50) and like TT JJ QQ trying to get you off a king. [/ QUOTE ] villain plays TT JJ QQ like this never [/ QUOTE ] this is villain specific then.... a lot of villains never play AA/KK/AK like this. [/ QUOTE ] basically saying villain isn't going to make a zero value bet on the turn, i don't see why i can't make this assumption [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] and is generally terrible IMO [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say it was for value. |
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ummm he's terrible obv, but in the std tagfish way, not the will bluff QQ or similar here
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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold.
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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold. [/ QUOTE ] |
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yeah ez fold against the absolute nits.
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alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold. [/ QUOTE ] its not, Ax and some air is possible, but i'm just doubting qq or jj does this |
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[ QUOTE ] alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold. [/ QUOTE ] its not, Ax and some air is possible, but i'm just doubting qq or jj does this [/ QUOTE ] out of position do you think he is more likely to bet JJ or AA? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] alright, well if his range is AA KK AK then it's obviously a fold. [/ QUOTE ] its not, Ax and some air is possible, but i'm just doubting qq or jj does this [/ QUOTE ] out of position do you think he is more likely to bet JJ or AA? [/ QUOTE ] i don't see how this is relevant... but probably jj |
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so, his range of hands beating us is AK, and he is more likely to bet TT-QQ than KK/AA (which also have a larger amount of combinations).
I think preflop discounts AK a fair bit, so his range is mostly whiffed speculative hands A-x, TT-QQ, AK and AA/KK occassionally. In my experience his range is weighted towards one that would allow you to call the turn, you disagree. Poker isn't just black and white so we seem to be arguing a point that there is no strict answer to. I don't think it's hugely constructive and I have given my thoughts. |
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i know it isn't black and white, thats why i posted this... i'm honestly just aren't following your reasoning at all (or at least until the last post), so i challenged you. nothing personal
i still don't see why pf can't be ak still tho, and that really is the crux of the question |
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so, his range of hands beating us is AK, and he is more likely to bet TT-QQ than KK/AA (which also have a larger amount of combinations). I think preflop discounts AK a fair bit, so his range is mostly whiffed speculative hands A-x, TT-QQ, AK and AA/KK occassionally. In my experience his range is weighted towards one that would allow you to call the turn, you disagree. Poker isn't just black and white so we seem to be arguing a point that there is no strict answer to. I don't think it's hugely constructive and I have given my thoughts. [/ QUOTE ]this stuff is really great... i especialy enjoyed the part about the PFR being more likely to bet turn w/ TT-QQ than AA/KK and how totally whiffed speculative make up the majority of his range ever done stand up comedy? |
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[ QUOTE ] so, his range of hands beating us is AK, and he is more likely to bet TT-QQ than KK/AA (which also have a larger amount of combinations). I think preflop discounts AK a fair bit, so his range is mostly whiffed speculative hands A-x, TT-QQ, AK and AA/KK occassionally. In my experience his range is weighted towards one that would allow you to call the turn, you disagree. Poker isn't just black and white so we seem to be arguing a point that there is no strict answer to. I don't think it's hugely constructive and I have given my thoughts. [/ QUOTE ]this stuff is really great... i especialy enjoyed the part about the PFR being more likely to bet turn w/ TT-QQ than AA/KK and how totally whiffed speculative make up the majority of his range ever done stand up comedy? [/ QUOTE ] OP agreed that he was more likely to bet JJ than AA on the turn so I don't know why you think that is funny.... from experience I would think that a min raise from this type of player generally means a kind of suited connector, suited ace, and big hands. Since we have discussed that all but AK can be discounted heavily, then his range is AK + whiffed suited connectors and A-x hands. If you think this is wrong, please explain why. If you think that this is not his range then we can agree to disagree because I imagine it is. Postflop tendencies however can differ from player to player and he may only bet the turn with AA, AK and KK as i stated earlier. I have given a pretty decent analysis here which is something I don't do in other threads. You may argue that I am wrong but calling this range stupid is just your opinion of his range. |
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In light of preflop, your read on the villain and the board, i like the fold a lot.You are so often drawing dead here..
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God just shut up True.
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God just shut up True. [/ QUOTE ] heads up for 50k? your posts are [censored] please [censored] off |
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[ QUOTE ] God just shut up True. [/ QUOTE ] heads up for 50k? your posts are [censored] please [censored] off [/ QUOTE ] I can start this afternoon if you have money on FTP. Consider it booked. |
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what limits?
I have cash on crypto right now but can get some on FTP, I will start tomorrow |
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lololololololol gooooooooooo Mattttttt.
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oh also, if you lose you have to stop posting and get ip banned forever
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what limits? I have cash on crypto right now but can get some on FTP, I will start tomorrow [/ QUOTE ] PM me when. |
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