25/5/ Blind Battle vs. Stinger
 

he's been active, but not overly so

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $25/$50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $8,038.00
Hero (BB): $7,600.00
UTG: $4,520.00
CO: $700.00
BTN: $5,758.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $150.00</font>, Hero calls $100.00

Flop: ($300) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $250.00</font>, Hero calls $250.00

Turn: ($800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $700.00</font>, Hero calls $700.00

River: ($2200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1,950.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $1,950.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $2,200.00 ($3 Rake)

Re: 25/5/ Blind Battle vs. Stinger
 

looks good, i would call if the board were two tone, or if the 4 were a 7

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its fine

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What's the worst Jx hand you guys call with?

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What's the worst Jx hand you guys call with?

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for me it's QJ and chalk it up to a bvb cooler but i dont' know much about villian aside from him being prtty good

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I think I like to raise the flop. I understand the possible reprecussions of it but if I ever want to be able to raise a flop on him for value I feel need to be raising these type flops (at least sometimes), especially in BvB spots.

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What's the worst Jx hand you guys call with?

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for me it's QJ and chalk it up to a bvb cooler but i dont' know much about villian aside from him being prtty good

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Wha? Stinger isn't betting JT on the river I don't think. I'd call AJ, and if you call with anything less you should call with every Jx hand as well as like 88 I think

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i can't think of a reason he wouldn't bet JT

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Def these sort of hands can be posted with no history and easy answers can be given because winning 25/50 regs are probably that predictable.

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stinger can be such an [censored], never gives you a cheap showdown when you want it =(

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looks good, i would call if the board were two tone, or if the 4 were a 7

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I disagree. If the 4 on the flop was a 7 I think it makes the hand more of a fold.

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I could be persuaded that this is completely wrong with some statistics on both of your play from this session, but imo all in&gt;call&gt;fold

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i dont like allin jeff what are you repping...a4d. a3d..64d? 53d and 54d obv dont work. i like it better if the j is not a diamond

-Mike

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i dont like allin jeff what are you repping...a4d. a3d..64d? 53d and 54d obv dont work. i like it better if the j is not a diamond

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5 4 ? A4dd? any set ebcause the flop is suuuuper dry?

if you think AI &gt; call action jeff then i think it should be AI &gt; fold &gt; call.

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if you think AI &gt; call action jeff then i think it should be AI &gt; fold &gt; call.

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Is this Stinger88 on stars? Negreanu mentioned him as tough in an interview I did with him on UK pokernews. Who is Stinger88?

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Is this Stinger88 on stars? Negreanu mentioned him as tough in an interview I did with him on UK pokernews. Who is Stinger88?

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get a clue

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Is this Stinger88 on stars? Negreanu mentioned him as tough in an interview I did with him on UK pokernews. Who is Stinger88?

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hi


and I don't really like a shove here, I really don't think you can credibly rep much

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Is this Stinger88 on stars? Negreanu mentioned him as tough in an interview I did with him on UK pokernews. Who is Stinger88?

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hi


and I don't really like a shove here, I really don't think you can credibly rep much

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I think your 3barrel range is fairly wide given bvb and board texture isn't scary, and the flush came back door. I also think that unless you have a lot of history with the shover, you will have a hard time stacking off without a flush.

From there, it is just a question of what you think his bluffing frequency is and what the worst hands you call with is, but if like aejones suggests, you 3barreling JT, I definitely think Jeff's argument for a shove is good as even sets might be snap folds if you don't have a good read on opponent.

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have to pitch it
sorry

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i can't think of a reason he wouldn't bet JT

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i can

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i can't think of a reason he wouldn't bet JT

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i can

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elaborate? this 25-50 game really playing that tight bvb?

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is JT a bluff? i dont think you get called by a lot worse.

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is JT a bluff? i dont think you get called by a lot worse.

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88 99 J9 etc? i feel like if he's not betting QJ/JT his range is fairly polarized on the end. yes obviously for value.

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i dont think those hands call, and even if they did its still not a large % of his calling range.

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whats his ranges of hands here? playing it so soft gives so little info. If your going to call call fold, why not put in a small raise on the flop to see if you J is good? Looks to me like you were a little to passive here. You did nothing to show strength here and he took advantage of the green light.

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I could be persuaded that this is completely wrong with some statistics on both of your play from this session, but imo all in&gt;call&gt;fold

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i have a statistic that might show thats wrong. if stinger was betting for value he's folding to a raise 0% of the time. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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"if stinger was betting for value he's folding to a raise 0% of the time"

uuuuuuuh no

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"if stinger was betting for value he's folding to a raise 0% of the time"

uuuuuuuh no

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calling the river here is terrible imo... I think turn is pretty close, I can see a case for calling/folding.

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calling the river here is terrible imo... I think turn is pretty close, I can see a case for calling/folding.

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you wanna fold the turn?!?

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I don't like shoving the river here. I agree with Stinger that you can't really rep anything and I agree with mperich that a shove would be much better if the J was not a diamond. I also highly doubt that stinger is 3 barreling you here with J10. So Ike is pretty much right here that Stinger isn't going to fold anything he is value betting on this river. He is only folding if he has air here which I don't think is that often. So I think folding&gt;calling&gt;shoving.

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"if stinger was betting for value he's folding to a raise 0% of the time"

uuuuuuuh no

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yeh... this makes no sense.

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"if stinger was betting for value he's folding to a raise 0% of the time"

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i loled

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"if stinger was betting for value he's folding to a raise 0% of the time"

uuuuuuuh no

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yeh... this makes no sense.

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WTF [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: 25/5/ Blind Battle vs. Stinger
 

Uh interesting spot, unfortunately I don't know Stingers tendencies in blind battles and what your image is. Does Stinger believes you would fold J9 there? I mean how likely is he trying to bluff you off a toppair hand? Do you reraise 99-TT there PF? What about smaller pocketpairs ? If he thinks you will call him lightly I do like a fold more, if you call many pocketpairs on the turn but give up frequently on the river I do like a call.
The problem in the given hand is that his range is extremely wide and I don't see him bluffing all streets too often on such a board unless there is some metagaming involved.
How would he play a hand like 88-TT ? Turning TT into a bluff seems unlikely and I cannot see a good argument for value betting with it especially if you will check many weaker hands behind and won't turn them into bluffs...
I can't see him having here J4s, J2s or J5s all too often, dunno about 42s or other smallish suited connectors. Range should be JJ+, 44, 22, 77, AJ-KJ (QJ?, J7s), Ad3d, 4d3d, 5d4d(6d3d, ) some sort of bluffs/semi bluffs that improved until the river and pure bluffs.. All together without more information I think folding the river &gt; call &gt; allin

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shove river. trust me its cool. not joking either.