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Dominic 10-12-2007 07:06 PM

Michael Clayton
 
Michael Clayton , Tony Gilroy, 2007

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Just saw this film, and I have to say it's probably the best movie I've seen this year. Writer/director Tony Gilroy is best known for penning the Bourne mives, and he brings the same intelligence, detail and complexity to Michael Clayton as he did to those films.

George Clooney plays the title character, a "fixer" for a huge NY law firm, a man who's been with the same firm for over 17 years but is not a partner. Basically, he's a bagman, or as he puts it, as "janitor" who is very, very good at cleaning up messes.

This is a legal thriller about a huge industrial company being sued for billions over a potentially lethal product. But really, the story is about Michael Clayton and his mid-life crisis of faith.

This is a very adult movie, one that takes concentration to understand what's going on, as Gilroy does not spoon feed plot points, character flwas and motivations to us; instead, Clayton's life is like our lives - complicated and one that doesn't always make sense. It's gorgeously plotted with minor details about characters that add up to much more than the whole. Clayton's gambling problem, his family life, his son, his friendships...we see it all like we experience real life - messily.

The performances are astounding; Clooney will win every major award, mark my words, and Tom Wikinson will probably get a few as well. As a huge fan of both actors, it's thrilling to see two giants go toe to toe in some fantastic scenes - especially one in an alley that crackles with intensity.

Tilda Swinton and Sydney Pollack also give outstanding performances, even while suffering from the cliche of "the banality of evil." But it's a minor quibble.

Great movie, not for everyone as it's slow going and cerebral, but definitely worth your time if you're looking for something with a little meat on its bones.

Four out of five stars.

Popinjay 10-12-2007 07:14 PM

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but how are the cinematography and music?

the performances look fantastic and am excited to see it

Blarg 10-12-2007 07:24 PM

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I'm getting used to Clooney's presence in a project giving me high hopes for it. He seems to be becoming a more interesting artist year by year. I've been hoping he keeps on this route sort of like Clint Eastwood did -- finding financing to keep making his own quality movies and remaining viable in others -- but perhaps without quite so many orangutans. I'm really looking forward to this movie.

esad 10-12-2007 07:35 PM

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This is a very adult movie, one that takes concentration to understand what's going on, as Gilroy does not spoon feed plot points, character flwas and motivations to us;

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So what you are telling us is that this will fail miserably at the box office?

Dominic 10-12-2007 07:55 PM

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but how are the cinematography and music?

the performances look fantastic and am excited to see it

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I didn't really notice the music, I was too engrossed in the movie. I guess that's a good thing.

The cinematography was very good and didn't call attention to itself...those of you who don't like the Greengrass "shakey-cam" style will be relieved to know that Gilroy does not take after his Bourne director on this.

Dominic 10-12-2007 07:58 PM

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I'm getting used to Clooney's presence in a project giving me high hopes for it. He seems to be becoming a more interesting artist year by year. I've been hoping he keeps on this route sort of like Clint Eastwood did -- finding financing to keep making his own quality movies and remaining viable in others -- but perhaps without quite so many orangutans. I'm really looking forward to this movie.

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That's a great analogy...Clooney is this generations' Eastwood. I can't think of a more compelling film artist in Hollywood right now. Just look back over his choices and films...he obviously has a "body of work" commitment to his career, rather than "let's make a quick buck" - the Ocean movies notwithstanding!

I'm a huge fan.

ozyman 10-12-2007 09:21 PM

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I had the opportunity to listen to Tony Gilroy speak after I saw the movie.

One interesting bit was that the movie kicked around for a while and Gilroy couldnt get it made. Steven Soderbergh became involved as a producer and convinced Clooney to look at the project. Clooney initialled wouldn't take a meeting with Gilroy since Clooney only wanted to direct it and had no interest in starring in the movie.

J.A.K. 10-12-2007 09:36 PM

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O Brother and Syriana convinced me on Clooney. Swinton's range is incredible. Yeah, can't wait to see this one.

untadam 10-12-2007 11:52 PM

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Wow, I'm even more excited to see it now! Do you actively write reviews on other sites Dominic?

Coffee 10-13-2007 12:39 AM

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I'm getting used to Clooney's presence in a project giving me high hopes for it. He seems to be becoming a more interesting artist year by year. I've been hoping he keeps on this route sort of like Clint Eastwood did -- finding financing to keep making his own quality movies and remaining viable in others -- but perhaps without quite so many orangutans. I'm really looking forward to this movie.

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That's a great analogy...Clooney is this generations' Eastwood. I can't think of a more compelling film artist in Hollywood right now. Just look back over his choices and films...he obviously has a "body of work" commitment to his career, rather than "let's make a quick buck" - the Ocean movies notwithstanding!

I'm a huge fan.

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I love Clooney, too...and I'm a huge fan, and will certainly see this movie...but I've always thought of him as more of this generation's Dean Martin, or perhaps, Sinatra. It's not just the success...it's the fact that he seems to be the perennial partyer, and no one seems to think it's weird, even though he's in his 40s. I distinctly remember all of the celebrities at the Oscars last year referring to him simply by his last name, like he's some legendary member of a football team. We never hear stories about him busting up a hotel room or having some sort of major psychological problem or breakdown. He just makes a movie(well), gets his millions, then flies off to bang some other supermodel half his age in one of his cinemaesque mansions in Hollywood or Italy or whatever. No one ever says anything bad about him either...there don't seem to be any tell-alls or slams in the media...no public feuds.

I dunno...the playboy thing just makes me think Rat Pack for some reason, and Clooney seems too nice to be Frank...so...Dean Martin.

Dominic 10-13-2007 03:11 AM

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Wow, I'm even more excited to see it now! Do you actively write reviews on other sites Dominic?

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nope, I waste enough of my time on this one...glad u liked it!

Blarg 10-13-2007 12:28 PM

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Dean never seemed to husband a resource, though. He always seemed to be dissipating and not caring that he did. It was hard to picture him ever getting any better at anything, or caring. Clooney seems much more ambitious.

JuntMonkey 10-13-2007 03:02 PM

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I don't like a Rat Pack comparison. I don't know much about the rest of them, but from what I know of Sinatra he was an abominable piece of [censored] human being, and I don't think Clooney should be associated with that. More Cary Grant/Clark Gable/Bogart - the absurdly charismatic and good-looking actors of yore.

Blarg 10-13-2007 03:26 PM

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Cary Grant's glib but friendly manner does ring a bit of a bell, though Clooney doesn't have quite his polish -- but then again, who did?

pryor15 10-13-2007 06:27 PM

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this definitely increases my interest level

CharlieDontSurf 10-13-2007 10:20 PM

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Saw it and thought it was very good. Only quibble is Clooney won't be winning any awards for his role short of the kind of jokey wons possibly...golden globe etc. He played it very well but it isn't a major stretch from the normal Clooney role. Wilkinson is fantastic.

JuntMonkey 10-14-2007 02:25 PM

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*SPOILERS* in white.

<font color="white">Is Clayton doing anything "wrong" at the end? When he took the $80,000 loan/bonus, wasn't there an implied gag order? Is he going to stay with the firm?</font>

Dominic 10-14-2007 02:42 PM

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*SPOILERS* in white.

<font color="white">Is Clayton doing anything "wrong" at the end? When he took the $80,000 loan/bonus, wasn't there an implied gag order? Is he going to stay with the firm?</font>

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He hadn't signed the contract/nondisclosure form yet. Plus, I'm reasonably sure those kind NDs would be hard to enforce when the whistle blower is reporting something illegal.

CharlieDontSurf 10-14-2007 10:09 PM

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The XXX had to do with all the fixing he had done in the past.

DLizzle 10-15-2007 11:34 PM

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*SPOILERS* in white.

<font color="white">Is Clayton doing anything "wrong" at the end? When he took the $80,000 loan/bonus, wasn't there an implied gag order? Is he going to stay with the firm?</font>

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One thing I really liked about the movie was that he wasn't exactly a saint (he had a gambling problem, basically told his son that he wasn't a great role model, and performed a job that he knew sometimes assisted bad people and hurt good ones), and this made it believable, at least to me, that at the end he might have been serious about what he was proposing to the woman. This doesn't answer your questions really but they made me think of this.

dw2006 10-16-2007 01:42 AM

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I thought Swinton's performance was the most remarkable part of this tremendous film. Truly one of the best supporting performances of the past decade. The scenes that cut between her rehearsing speeches and then the actual speeches were so good.

Dominic 10-16-2007 02:05 AM

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I thought Swinton's performance was the most remarkable part of this tremendous film. Truly one of the best supporting performances of the past decade. The scenes that cut between her rehearsing speeches and then the actual speeches were so good.

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yeah, that was pretty remarkable.

DLizzle 10-17-2007 03:43 AM

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after seeing the movie, one of the first things my girlfriend and I talked about was how perfect she was for that role.

pauliewalnuts 10-17-2007 11:14 AM

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Not to beat a dead horse, but it is an excellent movie. I cant really think of anything I didnt like.

Only movie I've seen so far this year that is on the same level is Eastern Promises.

sethypooh21 10-17-2007 03:02 PM

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*spoiler heavy*





Saw this yesterday, and was pretty blown away. All the front line performances were really good - it's hard to pick between Pollack, Swinton, Clooney and Wilkinson. I really liked how the script made you sort of identity with Swinton as a striver who was in somewhat over her head and then flipped it on us.

The film probably resonated with me a fair amount because I practice at a civil defense firm, and while not on the same scale as whomever, Pollack, and thatguy, a lot of the details seemed pretty right on. I will say that the outside litigation team getting screwed by the in-house attorney hiding/destroying evidence is not far fetched at all - I've been tangentially involved in at least one instance of this and had/got to watch the outside counsel tapdance in front of a "deeply concerned" judge. But that digression aside Wilkenson's opening monologue verbalizes the deepest darkest thoughts of many an attorney I imagine - at least the vaguely self aware ones.

My main quibble was with the minor baddies. The big jowly guy is so obviously the Deus ex Villanus. And the "security" guys are about one step away from the Talking Killers in a Bond movie. I mean seriously, a car bomb?

But those are fairly minor quibbles, and in the end, got to give it at least 4.5/5.

shaniac 10-19-2007 04:34 PM

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I thought it was great but felt unsatisfied by the ending (the closing credits in the taxi, I liked a lot).

The poker scene, however brief, was much more realistic than they usually are in movies, and Rounders' writer Brian Koppelman is credited as "Player #2."

This is also the only movie I am aware of to feature two of Roseanne's sister's boyfriends (Clooney and Michael O'Keefe) in the same movie!

andyfox 10-21-2007 08:15 PM

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Saw this today, liked it a lot. Wilkinson was remarkable, surely a more memorable performance than Arkin's Oscar-winning performance of last year.

My wife brought up something I would have missed. She kept whispering to me that Clooney wasn't wearing a coat in the cold. Finally, in the last scene, he puts a coat on as he leaves the building. Because he could finally feel something?

My favorite scenes were when Wilkinson sees the ad for the corporation on the big screen in Times Square and when Clooney talks to his son in the car.

Terrific entertainment, thoughtful and intelligent, despite the "banality of evil" part that was indeed cliched. Well worth seeing.

andyfox 10-21-2007 08:17 PM

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Gable-Redford-Clooney. Maybe the best comparison is Warren Beatty?

andyfox 10-21-2007 08:18 PM

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"Wilkinson is fantastic."

Definitely. A truly memorable performance.

Yeti 10-21-2007 09:32 PM

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when Clooney talks to his son in the car.

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My fave, loved it.

Bond18 10-21-2007 11:41 PM

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I'm very excited for this one. One of the first Oscar season movies this year to actually get good reviews and word of mouth. Great cast.

DLizzle 10-22-2007 01:53 AM

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when Clooney talks to his son in the car.

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My fave, loved it.

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i'll third this. almost felt a tear while watching this part.

golfnutt 10-22-2007 09:38 AM

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How big did Ken Howard get from the White Shadow (one of my favorite shows as a kid)?! He must be well over 300 pounds and looks like a total alky.

Loved the movie.

jetfish 10-22-2007 01:15 PM

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I was really impressed with this movie. I saw it basically on a whim, and I'm very glad I did.

Great performances all around, good story, and well-developed enough that at the end, I wasn't sure which way he was going to go.

-jet

tdarko 10-23-2007 04:31 PM

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when Clooney talks to his son in the car.

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Agree w/ everyone else here. I loved how his son had his head tilted back, you could see him taking it all in and for the first time the son was actually believing what his father was saying and at the right time too b/c it wasn't about getting to the movies or reading a book it was about the kid. Absolutely loved that scene, made me smile.

samsonite2100 10-23-2007 04:48 PM

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Yeah, awesome movie, best of the year, etc. One question--was it just me, or was Clooney wearing eyeliner? Seriously.

sethypooh21 10-23-2007 08:29 PM

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How big did Ken Howard get from the White Shadow (one of my favorite shows as a kid)?! He must be well over 300 pounds and looks like a total alky.

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Wait, that's the same guy? He's now the archetypal jowly corporate villain...

andyfox 10-23-2007 10:38 PM

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My wife noticed it too. She asked me about it afterwards, but I didn't notice it. She speculated that perhaps he has something wrong with his eye(s) that requires make-up?

centaurmyth 10-23-2007 11:11 PM

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The poker scene, however brief, was much more realistic than they usually are in movies, and Rounders' writer Brian Koppelman is credited as "Player #2."


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Nice catch. Notice that the detective from NYPD who clears Clooney that the apartment is sealed is Osborne (David Zayas) from the 'municipal' game in Rounders as well?

Anyhow, the hype about this movie is for real. Truly integral film that I connected with because of the implied long odds of living a life reaching for Authenticity in matters of grave importance. The 'madness' of Tom Wilkinson's character in Michael Clayton is Howard Beale (Network) meets Jeffrey Wigand (Russell Crowe-The Insider). Mad genius is more like it...

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<font color="white">I disagree about the ending. The introspective cab ride is perfect for a character found in unfamiliar redemption amongst the carcasses he usually directs attention away from (not to mention the audience reflecting upon it). If what you don't like about the ending is that his character is incongruent in flipping, then that is an oversight. It is a bold statement on the power of man to destroy egoic/structural boundaries to restore a greater order to the world within/around him. Aren't these boundaries one in the same? Well done by Gilroy here. </font>

Not the box office draw, but will give Clooney the nod for nomination Oscar Best Actor. Wilkinson may deservedly see the tap as well... And Tilda Swinton. Give Gilroy the nod too. And the movie itself. Damn, that was good!

absoludicrous 10-24-2007 12:48 AM

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Saw it tonight, great movie.


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