$114 really weird hand vs Poker_in_PB
 

Ok never seen(or paid attention to the fact that he did) pb do this before, I have to assume its a big hand but small chance its just cause he's really goofy hence the VERY marginal flop peel, when turn checks through I'm REALLY confused, deciding to attempt a river bluff, thoughts?

[note I just realized my river bet sizing sucks, carry on though]

My basic read on P_i_pb: is a bastard obv, but big multitabling sng tag with some goofy spots/ranges that ive noticed.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

CO (t1970)
Button (t2035)
SB (t1530)
Hero (t2160)
UTG (t2310)
MP (t3495)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t200, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t625) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets t200</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t200.

Turn: (t1025) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: (t1025) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t500</font>.

Re: $114 really weird hand vs Poker_in_PB
 

WTF? This wins some kind of prize for over-thinking. You have AK and 10BB. You aren't even in position and there's dead money. You simply do not care what poker_in_pb has at this point unless you have a note that he has done this several times with KK+, and only with KK+. In that case I don't know. I don't even think that kind of read is possible.

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OOP why not shove vs a MP limper (even if he is a tag reg). If you think he has KK/AA/QQ, why peel the flop dead or almost dead?

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WTF? This wins some kind of prize for over-thinking. You have AK and 10BB. You aren't even in position and there's dead money. You simply do not care what poker_in_pb has at this point unless you have a note that he has done this several times with KK+, and only with KK+. In that case I don't know. I don't even think that kind of read is possible.

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What is his limping range here then? Have you ever seen him limp in this type of situation cause my stats have him at like 12/10.5 or something doesnt really leave room for him limping alot of marginal hands, I think its pretty suspect to just say "AK? I shove" when we have a player who just isnt likely at all to be limping wide, and more probably is limping a narrow range.

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OOP why not shove vs a MP limper (even if he is a tag reg). If you think he has KK/AA/QQ, why peel the flop dead or almost dead?

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Im not 100% that he has that and I wanted to be able to find out without necessarily committing my stack, cause he'll often give up the turn if it is light, but yeah I dont really like it that much either.

EDIT: yeah I think I agree that I should just shove pre at least 1 time vs this, make a note if he has QQ+, I guess I dont like shoving when I feel Im no good in a vacuum.

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I played with him alot when he used to play 27's and he always showed down QQ+ here. And somehow always got paid off too.

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I played with him alot when he used to play 27's and he always showed down QQ+ here. And somehow always got paid off too.

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yeah the record is intact he called river and had KK.

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I don't care if he had KK this is certainly a push preflop.

Ryan

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Why did you bet the river? If your read is correct and he has a strong hand, check/fold or may be check/call the river. If your read is incorrect and he might have some thing like 88, you should be shoving pre.

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I don't care if he had KK this is certainly a push preflop.

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Bet flop 325 .
River check as played .

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Why did you bet the river? If your read is correct and he has a strong hand, check/fold or may be check/call the river. If your read is incorrect and he might have some thing like 88, you should be shoving pre.

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I bet the river because I wasnt expecting the turn to get checked through if he had a big hand. I really hate how I played this.

Ryan how many times would you have to see QQ+ before you stopped pushing AK, which if he's limping QQ+, AK its a fairly bad shove?

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how many times would you have to see QQ+ before you stopped pushing AK, which if he's limping QQ+, AK its a fairly bad shove?

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Enough times that he should start doing it with other stuff or risk losing a lot of value. I'd say more than 5 times and never anything but QQ+ I might start to take notice.

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how many times would you have to see QQ+ before you stopped pushing AK, which if he's limping QQ+, AK its a fairly bad shove?

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Enough times that he should start doing it with other stuff or risk losing a lot of value. I'd say more than 5 times and never anything but QQ+ I might start to take notice.

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lol at the post before you edited.

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I was serious actually.

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I haven't played him in a while, but I will say this. I never saw him limp AA/KK, it was always a min raise. I did see him limp with strange hands, and I'm pretty sure they were misclicks.

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well, if he limps here with with 8-10 bb is QQ+ for sure, because i have seen him do it 50 times and it is never less than QQ.

but he has a lot more chips, so i dont know. just reach across the table and smack him in the face for being such a jerk. i'd check preflop and check/fold any missed flop.

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I should probably factor in that its pipb and tank then shove and hit a river A just because its pipb, maybe say "stupid call" after I hit.

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Why did you bet the river? If your read is correct and he has a strong hand, check/fold or may be check/call the river. If your read is incorrect and he might have some thing like 88, you should be shoving pre.

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I bet the river because I wasnt expecting the turn to get checked through if he had a big hand. I really hate how I played this.

Ryan how many times would you have to see QQ+ before you stopped pushing AK, which if he's limping QQ+, AK its a fairly bad shove?

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With AK and 10x BB? A hell of a lot of times. But I don't like to get away from AK as much as most of 2p2.

Ryan

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Shove pre.
As played are you bluffing the river because your hand is bet a ton imo.

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i miss sngs.

when i played like thousands on party at the 55s, i would shove here, while saying to myself stupid reg has to have QQ-AA here. i mean regs just dont limp a wide enough range.

yah i shove AK here all day, but I don't think not shoving is criminal since against regs over enough sngs you can develop pretty reliable ranges for limping/minraising etc esp at later levels

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I normally instashove, but here the point is a HUGE read vs poker_in_pb.

I really really like your preflop line but then you confused me on your postflop, why playing so passively?

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Sorry but this is a case of a laser read that villain has only QQ+.

If those conditions, shoving seems super bad.

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This is QQ+ unless he reads this post and changes. Check it down.

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you played that hand as bad as you can imo [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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you played that hand as bad as you can imo [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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That's constructive.

There's like multiple ways you could mean here.

I guess Im not experienced in playing AK in unraised pots with 10bbs, its like my mouse was gravitating towards the slider to at least bet something. The message is definitely clear though, [censored] poker in pb

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you played that hand as bad as you can imo [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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That's constructive.

There's like multiple ways you could mean here.

I guess Im not experienced in playing AK in unraised pots with 10bbs, its like my mouse was gravitating towards the slider to at least bet something. The message is definitely clear though, [censored] poker in pb

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i think the message is clear that nobody likes

poker_dik_head_pb.

i dont think the message is clear to push preflop though.

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Against anyone else on earth this is a trivially easy shove. Are we clear on that? But apparently turdboy only does this with monsters. In 15k sngs or so I've never gotten a read like that on someone, but I do believe it here.

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Against anyone else on earth this is a trivially easy shove. Are we clear on that? But apparently turdboy only does this with monsters. In 15k sngs or so I've never gotten a read like that on someone, but I do believe it here.

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I thought it was a given that 99.999% of the time this a super clear shove, my main question is what other people thought on if this is a .001% case(and how they would play postflop in that situation), I thought it was at the time. Postflop was very bad as I played it.

Ty for the comments everyone, appreciate it.

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if your read was good which a call from those stats seems like a big hand then your call on flop was horrid.

and bet on river was worse....

if you read is that you should check and only pay if A and A alone hits try to check down cheap if K hits

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What did he have?

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his script that automatically requests time is pretty baller though.

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What did he have?

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he called river and showed KK