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Zeldark 07-28-2007 04:47 AM

Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
SB is readless.
BB is 42.5/.8/1.2ish somewhere along the way to the 120 hands I have on him now.

What do you think?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

River: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

tyler_cracker 07-28-2007 05:04 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
our hand is disguised by the "steal" situation and our flop raise. we often would have heard more from 2pair or a set on the turn and villain could play bare trips this way. given these factors, i'm fine with all of it.

i could also see just calling the river 3bet, though; i don't think it matters much either way.

BigBadBabar 07-28-2007 05:36 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
this hand is completely standard imo

Sushiglutton 07-28-2007 05:56 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
The only questionable play is the river cap. But given how passively villain has played and how unlikely two pair is on the flop I think u played well.

JJack 07-28-2007 07:14 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
i play it the same cus SB can think u have made hand at flop cus u raise

sharpie 07-28-2007 08:43 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
Looks good, people will overplay Jx here.

NIX 07-28-2007 10:37 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
SB most likely has a naked Jx since I'd think KJ would pop the turn and J6 would put another bet in on the flop.

I like everything.

Shillx 07-28-2007 02:08 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
Perfect

TarHeel100 07-28-2007 02:32 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
nice hand.

Xhad 07-28-2007 04:39 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
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our hand is disguised by the "steal" situation and our flop raise. we often would have heard more from 2pair or a set on the turn and villain could play bare trips this way. given these factors, i'm fine with all of it.

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A lower flush fits as well.

Befolder 07-28-2007 07:53 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
Grunch.

I play it exactly the same.

jstill 07-28-2007 08:54 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
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this hand is completely standard imo

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just to make it interesting whats the worst hand ud raise vs his river donk, worst hand ud cap? any difference between the two and should there be [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ?

JorgeG17 07-28-2007 10:52 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
*Grunch*

I expect to see Jx here more than a full house. He probably would have tried for a check-raise at some point if he has you beat. I probably would have wussed out and called the re-raise but I think a cap is the right play.

JorgeG17 07-28-2007 10:57 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
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just to make it interesting whats the worst hand ud raise vs his river donk, worst hand ud cap? any difference between the two and should there be [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ?

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I think OP's play is right with anything that beats trip J's. IMHO there is no hand that should call a river 3-bet and not cap.

Xhad 07-29-2007 02:13 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
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I think OP's play is right with anything that beats trip J's

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So are you saying you'd do this with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], or is that not in your range in the first place?

JorgeG17 07-29-2007 08:38 AM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
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I think OP's play is right with anything that beats trip J's

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So are you saying you'd do this with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], or is that not in your range in the first place?

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As played except filling in 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for the hero's hand, yes. What are you afraid of here when the villain donks the river J while you're holding 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that you aren't afraid of with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

Zeldark 07-29-2007 04:40 PM

Re: Hey, I\'m not Stealing! (Or other unbiased title)
 
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I think OP's play is right with anything that beats trip J's

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So are you saying you'd do this with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], or is that not in your range in the first place?

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As played except filling in 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for the hero's hand, yes. What are you afraid of here when the villain donks the river J while you're holding 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that you aren't afraid of with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

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Hands that contain better hearts between 8 and the previous Ace?


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