600 NL flopped set.
 

Villain is 22/8 over 240 hands. He slowplays sometimes, including limp-reraising preflop. I'm running pretty LAG at this table.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($741.15)</font>
UTG+1 ($320.80)
MP1 ($781.50)
MP2 ($1116.95)
<font color="#C00000">MP3 ($606.30)</font>
CO ($588)
Button ($120)
SB ($605.40)
BB ($664.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $24, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40</font>, MP3 calls $40.

Turn: ($137) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $90</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $270</font>, MP3 calls $180.

River: ($677) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font> <font color="green">(he only has $272 left)</font>

<font color="blue"> Thoughts on all streets welcome. </font>

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

I think flop and river are pretty standard, so I'm mainly wondering about the turn.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

Why the turn CR?

I think you're toast after he calls it and I don't see how he folds the river with less than 1/2 pot behind. I guess he could have AxKh, so if you are calling anything--mine as well push.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

Why did you play the turn that way. I usually check/call the turn there, but I know that's pretty weak. I'm not saying your play is wrong, but why did you raise turn?

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I am a inexperienced (horrible) NL player but my thinking was pretty similiar (I was typing up a response but it sucked so I stopped).

Basically i think that preflop, flop, and river are all completely standard and fine.

The turn is the interesting street. You fired at the flop and it might have looked to him like a standard CBET. You're checking of the turn might appear to be weakness and it's also a possibility that the A hit him (AxKh totally came to my mind too). So it's not really a surprise that he bet at it, in fact it's pretty clear you wanted him to bet at it since you check raised.

The question is, did he call on the flop with a real hand or draw? Or was he just planning on trying to take the pot from you later since he had position and possibly a read on you?

I think as played it was very +EV in this situation most of the time. If he had a couple of hearts or made a straight on the river than so be it.

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I don't like the turn c/r; I think it polarizes villain's range too much against your hand.

As played, river looks fine if you think he'll call with strong 1pair and 2pair hands OR if you have some reason to call any shove from villain (to avoid a negative freeroll or possibly fold out weak straights or flushes).

C/F or shove depending on feel of villain.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

I thought the turn was a great card for him to fire with just about anything he called on the flop with.

I raised because I didn't want to give him a free card if he had a heart.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

my question is: no concerns for the flush getting there on the turn?

or is the read on villain one where he would raise your flop bet with the FD?

also, what about 66 in villain's range? obviously we don't have to worry about 2/2 here...

but seriously, no considerations here for the FD getting tehre on the turn, and 66 on the flop hitting?

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or is the read on villain one where he would raise your flop bet with the FD?

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I think he'd raise a flush draw + 2 overs at least some of the time (if not most of the time). I'm not ruling out a flush though.

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also, what about 66 in villain's range? obviously we don't have to worry about 2/2 here...

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66 is such a tiny part of his range, as is 22. I'm not worrying about a set-over-set situation too much.

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or is the read on villain one where he would raise your flop bet with the FD?

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I think he'd raise a flush draw + 2 overs at least some of the time (if not most of the time). I'm not ruling out a flush though.

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also, what about 66 in villain's range? obviously we don't have to worry about 2/2 here...

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66 is such a tiny part of his range, as is 22. I'm not worrying about a set-over-set situation too much.

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true - but given the action - calling flop and the
bet/calling 3bet on turn line.. (it's tough here as he could be betting A Kh as well, or bet/calling with 66 - which would be standard)

tough hand - i see the rationale for the turn c/raise (if you put him on Akhearts) ...but i'd think i'd lead out here. if he did make his flush, he should raise here. If not, he shoudl be worried that a LAG player like you might've played something like 8/9 hearts and got there.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

I like it. Pot is massive on the turn and you're committed to call if he pushes anyway so I'd discount a flush. NH.

edit: he's floating that flop with his entire non-monster range. I would think the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] was a good card for you as pair + high flushdraw is a big part of his range on the turn.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

What Effen said.

GG, nice to see the level up.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

I dont like firing the turn because the Ah is probably the scariest card in the deck for the villain to see when he has a garbage floating hand or medium pair/other mediocre hand and he will fold everything you beat to a turn bet. However, it is a great card for villain to bluff if it didnt make his hand. However, if villain is very passive and unlikely to bluff then leading is better.

c/r will get villain to commit more money to the pot when his range is still very wide and you are still crushing said range. It also denies villain a free card as much of his range consists of hands that have outs against you.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

If I check turn, its to call

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When that turn card hits I no longer am willing to stack off on this board.

Being out of position I opt to use some pot control and check/call turn. I want to see the river card so if I bet and get raised that could prevent me from doing so and by check raising you are now pot commited if he shoves.

Re: 600 NL flopped set.
 

i'd c/c turn, reevaluate

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I think C/C is more profitable for both Turn and River, better to excercise some pot control especially with the river card. Very few hands you are beating are calling even if it's less than PSP.

Also, I find that when I bet preflop, lead the flop, CR the turn and STILL get called, 333 doesn't feel too strong anymore. Again, C/C is more profitable I think.

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Anyway, results:

Villain tanked on the river. I was pretty sure he didn't have a flush (unless he was one of those slowrolling douches). He finally called with 66 for a better set.

He was equally likely to have 22, so I don't hate my play by any means.

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Also, I find that when I bet preflop, lead the flop, CR the turn and STILL get called, 333 doesn't feel too strong anymore. Again, C/C is more profitable I think.

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I usually don't agree w/ new guys over Sabr, but this is very sound reasoning. No offense intended Jenson.

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Anyway, results:

Villain tanked on the river. I was pretty sure he didn't have a flush (unless he was one of those slowrolling douches). He finally called with 66 for a better set.

He was equally likely to have 22, so I don't hate my play by any means.

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i think the turn c/r is good if you think he's floating this flop often (which he should) and betting this turn often (which he should as well). but when he calls your turn c/r, i think you're often beat.

you're statement isn't entirely true...yes, he shows up here w/ 22 as often as he does with 66, but that means you're putting him completely on a non-flushing hand as well. is he really ever going to call this turn c/r w/ 88 or something like that? so yes, if you put him exclusively on sets, then your play is fine, but he easily has a flush here as well.

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i think the turn c/r is good if you think he's floating this flop often (which he should) and betting this turn often (which he should as well).

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Yep.

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but when he calls your turn c/r, i think you're often beat.

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I disagree. Given the size of the pot, he would just 3-bet shove with a flush on the turn, especially a smaller flush, since I may have a higher heart in my hand.