does anyone else think nvg and bbv are just stains on 2+2?
 

i just hate them and the people that post in them. never ever make me a mod of these forums. i would perm ban anyone who says FIRST, SECOND, etc. ugh i just hate everything about the retards in these places. is this common?

here's the latest example, i could have posted basically any thread but this is the latest one to piss me off

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD

so barry greenstein makes the effort to post then the thread just becomes retarded with people making 'hilarious' quote jokes, capped off by our friend assani. and no, this thread isn't a big deal, yes, i could have found a better example effortlessly.

as you can see this rage has been building inside me for a while.

and i have nothing against the mods of these forums, i understand they are pretty much powerless against these cretins.

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i did not see that coming.

i guess i will type this to avoid the inevitable 'second'. don't 'third' me. i want to hear from others who hate 99% of 2+2 users.

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Yes

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i did not see that coming.

i guess i will type this to avoid the inevitable 'second'. don't 'third' me. i want to hear from others who hate 99% of 2+2 users.

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Yeti,

You are right. BBV4L is 83% idiotic. I have probably deleted 5-6 threads today and there are 7 or 8 more that are borderline. Since 2+2 is comfortable with the forum and Dids modding in its current state, then I will continue to mod it that way. If it decided that some of the stupid [censored] needs to go then I am happy to enforce that as well.

Also, life is too short to hate the misguided youth of today. Live and let live bro. I'll buy you a fine American bourbon next time you are in Philly.

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people cut and pasting his entire ipod list into the thread deserve to die. not joking. die.

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people cut and pasting his entire ipod list into the thread deserve to die. not joking. die.

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Meh. NVG has its good and its bad. But I don't think you can really lump NVG in with BBV4L. Thats an entirely different animal. At least NVG is about poker.

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At least NVG is about poker.

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In the same way that the Special Olympics is about pole vaulting.

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Christ those forums are SO TERRIBLE. Although from what I read of them original BBV sucks a little less than the other two (this is totally unqualified and easily refuted).

However, at the moment, this is the approximate readership of these three forums:

NVG: 380
BBV: 270
BBV4L: 150

OOT comes in just above the BBV4L readership and is probably third or close to it. In short, those three forums, as incredibly terrible as they are, own the pageviews on this site, I mean hell combined they could be greater than all the non-OOT forums combined. Barring something catastrophically stupid being done in those forums, I can't imagine anything would be done to them.

As an aside, I seem to remember NVG being fairly sleepy, now it's like the busiest forum on the site. How/when/why did this happen? The poker boom seems to have subsided and yet a bunch people seem to give a crap about Liz Lieu and Barry Greenstein and whomever? Seems weird to me.

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I have always felt that NVG was the worst forum on the site in that it is potentially "hurtful". I'm not a big fan of gossip, personally.

bbv4life, to me, is just a bunch of harmless adolescent humor. I am much more a fan of adolescent humor. And I would fight to keep bbv4life, both because of my personal bias and as an asset to the site (i really don't see bbv as a "stain"), but if mason wanted to junk NVG, that would be okay with me.

I am curious if there are any defenders of NVG here. It is definitely one of our more popular forums.

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When name players come to 2p2 they usually post in nvg.

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As an aside, I seem to remember NVG being fairly sleepy, now it's like the busiest forum on the site. How/when/why did this happen? The poker boom seems to have subsided and yet a bunch people seem to give a crap about Liz Lieu and Barry Greenstein and whomever? Seems weird to me.

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IMHO NVG was best before Dids went to BBV, it was filled with lots of juicy topics every week and the ultra-dumb threads were either nuked or just didn't happen naturally (I don't know what Dids did, just taking a stab in the dark here). Lately its become the same as Pocket 5's/Neverwin - which is obviously popular as but in turn the real gossip component has practically been eliminated. I always read the old NVG 4x-8x a week at a minimum, now I check it 1-2x at most. I came to terms with the fact that NVG has grown, I am no longer the target consumer, and I'm cool with that.

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As an aside, I seem to remember NVG being fairly sleepy, now it's like the busiest forum on the site. How/when/why did this happen? The poker boom seems to have subsided and yet a bunch people seem to give a crap about Liz Lieu and Barry Greenstein and whomever? Seems weird to me.

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IMHO NVG was best before Dids went to BBV, it was filled with lots of juicy topics every week and the ultra-dumb threads were either nuked or just didn't happen naturally (I don't know what Dids did, just taking a stab in the dark here). Lately its become the same as Pocket 5's/Neverwin - which is obviously popular as but in turn the real gossip component has practically been eliminated. I always read the old NVG 4x-8x a week at a minimum, now I check it 1-2x at most. I came to terms with the fact that NVG has grown, I am no longer the target consumer, and I'm cool with that.

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I used to read NVG. I still click there sometimes out of habit and then realize there isn't anything I want to read there.

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I've also found this strange as well. On the other hand, whenever I've spent time in the presence of "name players", they all came across as big gossips. So maybe it makes sense.

I would absolutely support a celebrity poker players forum with limited posting access. The interest from their perspective has not been there.

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I am curious if there are any defenders of NVG here. It is definitely one of our more popular forums.

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We posted at roughly the same time but I mentioned NVG's massive viewer count and it was >33% over the next forum. I'm not sure if this is the norm or not but when I've looked I've noticed a huge uptick over the past 1+ years.

It is definitely a low content goofball forum but I don't see how it could possibly be eliminated and its content absorbed by other forums. It serves a specific purpose. It just so happens that it seems to be overrun by idiots these days.

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I'll buy you a fine American bourbon next time you are in Philly.

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42it, you're from Philly?

did not know that.

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Euro, please, the correct nomenclature is "Lesko".

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I've also found this strange as well. On the other hand, whenever I've spent time in the presence of "name players", they all came across as big gossips. So maybe it makes sense.

I would absolutely support a celebrity poker players forum with limited posting access. The interest from their perspective has not been there.

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They all think they are newsworthy so they post there. If there is ever a celebrity poker players forum I should mod it because I have experience showing a number of famous players the door in B&M casinos (including one famous player that thought casino security would let him stay if he showed them his WSOP bracelets).

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There are major differences between bbv and bbv4l (although it may not appear like it). I take it you were referring to 4l? They have developed basically separate communities now with the really big morons who don't play poker and who don't have anything to add to the strategy forums moving towards bbv4l. BBV still gets a high volume of strategy posters, though.

BBV has done a lot of good work for the poker community (the barry greenstein 40k for charity, breaking the absolute story) and also provides a solid place for strategy posters to vent in a bigger setting. Also, we started mspaint wars which has provided a lot of entertainment to the masses.

NVG I think is also useful in that it provides people with hand histories of big headsup matches that people might have missed, and some major stories have broken there as well (plus David Sklansky is using it as his personal playground so he must see some use in it).

I am trying to crack down on first/second stuff that I see that is ruining threads. I am doing 1-2 day bans now.

BBV4l is a black hole, but relatively harmless. It provides a service in that people with a looser sense of humour can go there and draw silly pictures and talk to people with similar interests. I would say it provides about as much utility as OOT on the forums, given the existence of EDF, which is..."some".

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Gild, don't forget about BBV's generous donation to vigorish.

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Euro, please, the correct nomenclature is "Lesko".

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pardon. i'll have to remember that. so much easier than 42it.


anyway, I forgot to mention that the only thing gayer than "SECOND" in a thread is instead saying "SHOTGUN"

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tuq,

If you are old school you will call him frank.

Also too, I generally think BBV4l is boring but it has improved regular BBV a lot.

NVG used to be in the rotation, ill check occusionally now.

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Please don't lump regular BBV in with 4L, kthx [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

BBV itself is an extremely useful forum. It's good for venting steam, and quite aside from that, it has a solid community that has accomplished a lot of good. It's also the only place where people that play microstakes can easily make fun of people playing 1K/2K and get away with it.

4L...yeah, I dunno, it keeps them out of regular BBV. Good enough for me!

NVG has driven away big names before, but I guess if the juicy story of the week wasn't posted here, it'd just be talked about on neverwin/liquidpoker/p5's. Its other problem is that the more mentally challenged people from 4L have found their kindred spirits and joined forces with it. I'm not sure what to do about that one.

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I think Televised Poker is even worse; I do not envy the job Kevmath has, especially when he has to read threads like this that he mercifully locked before it got even worse. I actually got wet from the drool dripping off the posts. Where do these babboons get the dexterity (and opposable thumbs) to make accounts on 2+2?

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Can we please please please find a way to ban ItsErikRyland, he is the only NVG poster I have noticed to absolutely drive me bizerk crazy each and every time he manages to make a post.

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Can we please please please find a way to ban ItsErikRyland, he is the only NVG poster I have noticed to absolutely drive me bizerk crazy each and every time he manages to make a post.

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Here in this thread he linked to a picture in which there is the f-word unedited in it. Can we ban him now?

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Euro,

I'll answer to Lesko or frank (nice one Ed) even though those who have met me know my real name is something else.

I moved up to the Philly 'burbs a little over 4 years ago. If you are in the neighborhood, give me a shout.

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I think Televised Poker is even worse; I do not envy the job Kevmath has, especially when he has to read threads like this that he mercifully locked before it got even worse.

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1. TV is like NVG for posters with Down's Syndrome. When you're applying "NVG + negative modifier" that basically makes it unspeakably bad. But I don't think it's a community like the other forums mentioned already; mostly it's just people drifting by to call each other stupid, or the poker players stupid, or Norman Chad stupid.

2. That specific OP is headed for bandom, preferably sooner rather than later. He spent the weekend taunting Colts fans and pissing them off and everyone was calling for him to be banned in the SNF thread (like Jessica during the WS threads, it sucks to have a single poster derail an entire high-volume thread with the trolling, as emotions can run high during games and people seem incapable of ignoring it). This guy is super duper bad.

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Also, life is too short to hate the misguided youth of today. Live and let live bro.

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Also, Kevmath rocks.

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Few thoughts:

- I keep meaning to ask somebody to remove me as a mod from NVG and then getting lazy and forgetting. So like, do that.

- I would be well in favor of nuking NVG. I think that there's value in a "news" forum, but the "views and gossip" part is pretty horrible. When I fist took over modding that forum, I wanted to make some changes, and that didn't work. I think the only way you can do that, and make it not totally suck is to delete the forum and start over. If you do blow up NVG, you may or may not want to create a "railbird" forum, since that's a big part of NVG, but not really specifically NVGish.

- BBV4L is just something that not everybody is going to like. I think it's fantastic with a few problems that can be solved. It might look worse right now, because I get the feeling non of us mods were terribly active over the weekend. I think sites like 2p2 need off-topic forums, and since OOT clearly (and I think to some extent correctly) does not want the kind of content in which BBV4L specializes, we need to have 2.

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I like Dids railbird forum idea a lot, I would think it has to maintain the NVG style of crappy posting but it could really work great. Perhaps that combined with a heavily moderated news & gossip forum?

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I like Dids railbird forum idea a lot, I would think it has to maintain the NVG style of crappy posting but it could really work great. Perhaps that combined with a heavily moderated news & gossip forum?

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luckyjimm forum?

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I like the idea of a news forum, either at a level of expectation from its users akin to oot, or a level with edf/lounge, don't mind which.

Did you have anything specific in mind, Dids? Are you thinking of something that can house some part of the nvg masses, or something entirely new and not geared to nvgers at all?


maybe the railbird or news ideas are something to try in the playground?

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My first thought of the "news" forum would be something tied to the magazine. I think that gives it a little more gravitas or something.

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dids,

It's almost like the biggest retards have a 6th sense for when mods aren't around.

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one vote for nuke nvg or reboot it in dids' image

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To be clear,

I don't have the time or the inclination to execute any of these new ideas, I just think they're good ideas. I think the "news" forum would require a pretty active and invested mod.

Also, RE: BBV4L

I'm now taking the stance that if it even smells like a previously banned poster, I'm banning it and sorting out the mess later.

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luckyjimm forum?

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this wasn't a joke btw