Weird 1020 Hand
 

Villain is a good regular, pretty aggro, capable of almost everything

Full Tilt Poker Game #3730160492: Table Oakmont (6 max) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:31:24 ET - 2007/10/01
Seat 1: -AKwow- ($3,304)
Seat 2: Kinetica ($497)
Seat 3: Nevrborn ($2,198)
Seat 4: ThisComesLast ($5,414.50)
Seat 5: thugmoneymkr ($2,000), is sitting out
Seat 6: U-471 ($1,363)
ThisComesLast posts the small blind of $10
U-471 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to -AKwow- [Qd Kd]
-AKwow- raises to $70
Kinetica folds
Nevrborn folds
ThisComesLast raises to $230
U-471 folds
-AKwow- has 15 seconds left to act
-AKwow- calls $160
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh 8s]
ThisComesLast checks
-AKwow- has 15 seconds left to act
-AKwow- checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Jh 8s] [9h]
ThisComesLast checks
-AKwow- bets $340
thugmoneymkr has returned
ThisComesLast calls $340
*** RIVER *** [Qh Jh 8s 9h] [Qs]
ThisComesLast checks


Do we bet? How is line so far? What if he shoves?

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id probably bet the flop, if i didn't i would not bet that turn. now id def bet big on the river

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your line looks pretty good, I think bet is in order since I think he has AA/KK/AQ quite often here, vs CRAI tho I think I'll fold because it seems so unlikely he'll turn his made hand into a bluff

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id probably bet the flop, if i didn't i would not bet that turn. now id def bet big on the river

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i really like the flop check, but i would check the turn again regardless, and i would bet big on the river

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id probably bet the flop, if i didn't i would not bet that turn. now id def bet big on the river

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Agree with first part.

Betting the river big seems good if we had bet the flop imo. Betting the flop allows us to represent a larger portion of 'top of the range hands' (sets/2purr type). Because of our check, I think we get looked up lighter.

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I'd check the flop and turn, as played bet the river

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I'd check the flop and turn, as played bet the river

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Are you calling a c/r all in?

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I'd check the flop and turn, as played bet the river

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and also I don't think villain is ever check raising river here fwiw, I don't see how he shows up with FH

Re: Weird 1020 Hand
 

Not so sure we show up with a boat here often either given flop check. And he does show up with a flush/straight often enough.

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I'd check the flop and turn, as played bet the river

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and also I don't think villain is ever check raising river here fwiw, I don't see how he shows up with FH

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Full Tilt Poker Game #3730160492: Table Oakmont (6 max) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:31:24 ET - 2007/10/01
Seat 1: -AKwow- ($3,304)
Seat 2: Kinetica ($497)
Seat 3: Nevrborn ($2,198)
Seat 4: ThisComesLast ($5,414.50)
Seat 5: thugmoneymkr ($2,000), is sitting out
Seat 6: U-471 ($1,363)
ThisComesLast posts the small blind of $10
U-471 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to -AKwow- [Qd Kd]
-AKwow- raises to $70
Kinetica folds
Nevrborn folds
ThisComesLast raises to $230
U-471 folds
-AKwow- has 15 seconds left to act
-AKwow- calls $160
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh 8s]
ThisComesLast checks
-AKwow- has 15 seconds left to act
-AKwow- checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Jh 8s] [9h]
ThisComesLast checks
-AKwow- bets $340
thugmoneymkr has returned
ThisComesLast calls $340
*** RIVER *** [Qh Jh 8s 9h] [Qs]
ThisComesLast checks
-AKwow- has 15 seconds left to act
-AKwow- bets $860
ThisComesLast raises to $4,844.50, and is all in

Re: Weird 1020 Hand
 

lol awesome.

I think he can show up with FH if he decided to FPS-check his set on the flop, going for a CR or something, then bad turn card comes so he c-c then river fills and naturally he goes for CR given how he got there.

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he has JJ fold

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tempting to call against him but I still fold

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What range are you guys putting him on when he checks the flop? I'm thinking like JT/89/99/TT/89/AK and total whiffs, but you guys seem to have very diff ranges.

Re: Weird 1020 Hand
 

I stand corrected

mb he has KThh

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im guessing you got CRd from your post but I don't think that should be your main concern as it's not going to happen often at all. id fold

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u gotta check the river cause with him just calling the turn he's most likely got two pair which would've filled up on river, if he got counterfeited no way is he calling a bet

and now that u got check raised its a fold

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He has 99 fold...

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Wow I didn't think everyone would think this is a fold. Doesn't the fact that his hand is so underrepped prior to river c/r, and I can be value betting pretty thin on that river kind of make us want to call? Through his eyes, I can never really ever have a huge hand here, but since his hand is so underrepped, I can be value betting a large enough range that doesn't have enough hands in it to call a c/r all in.

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Ship it to the str8 flush ldo.

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He has 99 fold...

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I think villain rarely has 99 here, or in fact any boat. Villain has a tendency to call out of blinds a lot, so I don't think he 3 bets 99 PF. Also, with the flow of the match, I think he checks a set on that flop rarely ever.

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Wow I didn't think everyone would think this is a fold. Doesn't the fact that his hand is so underrepped prior to river c/r, and I can be value betting pretty thin on that river kind of make us want to call? Through his eyes, I can never really ever have a huge hand here, but since his hand is so underrepped, I can be value betting a large enough range that doesn't have enough hands in it to call a c/r all in.

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see I hate calling his hand "underrepped" here. You both know his line is really [censored] up and unorthodox (you know that he knows that you know blah blah), he is hoping you will just be confused, give up on putting him on a hand, and call...also I just don't see what bluffing hands he shows up with here

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I'm not sure what value you gain by betting to begin with. With straights, flushes, and boats readily available, you think you realistically get money from a weaker Q (which would be Q7-)? Or given your line, you think you really make those hands fold? Meh....

A bet should be for blocking purposes only I feel and even then, it seems light....

Re: Weird 1020 Hand
 

AJ/KJ or A of hearts something.