Don´t care much for donk bets
 

Villain is 27/16/1.17

Only previous note is that he check/called down Q4 from BB against my button raise on board
7C,9D,4H,KS,3D


Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $62.30
CO: $303.80
Hero: $178.50
SB: $83.40
BB: $334.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero raises.

Re: Don´t care much for donk bets
 

Looks good. What are you doing vs 3?

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Call I suppose.Because he is pretty unknown.

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Apanage - I suppose this was a hand vs me...the Q4 calldown was like 10 hands later...you could have had a note that I check raised A4 on 974 kind of flop...I obviously thought u were just two barreling, maybe betting a weak ace, so I just wanted to prevent a check behind on the river with hands like QQ, JJ, JT, QT, and such stuff...dont know if I should have been going for the checkraise on the river with my KT?

Re: Don´t care much for donk bets
 

Standard raise for me here. This is usually a hand that just improved to kings up or some sort of weak Ace that was playing WA/WB who decided to donk the river.

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I would probably call here, I can't really think of why he would donk here unless he thought you were bluffing turn and thought he'd put you off some weird hand by donking river? It sucks when you lose value if you are ahead BUT you get the same amount of money in this spot if he check calls as if he bets and you call but on the flipside you lost money when you are behind. Lately I've been thinking about a line just like this one where you purposely donk the river hoping someone considers it a bluff and raises so you can 3-bet, but I doubt this villain is thinking this way. I'd just call.

Re: Don´t care much for donk bets
 

But you make more money if he b/c with kings up.

Against a button raiser, he makes this play with all sorts of hands and if he isnt controlled enough to dump ax or kx then you make more money.

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Apanage - I suppose this was a hand vs me...the Q4 calldown was like 10 hands later...you could have had a note that I check raised A4 on 974 kind of flop...I obviously thought u were just two barreling, maybe betting a weak ace, so I just wanted to prevent a check behind on the river with hands like QQ, JJ, JT, QT, and such stuff...dont know if I should have been going for the checkraise on the river with my KT?

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Yeah and as you remember I didn´t raise that river I just called.It is funny.I put you on exactly KT and I still didn´t raise river which bothered me hence the post.
I have a panic fear of getting owned on river.But as I see it you can´t have any hand that beats me at this point and IMO it was a really bad decision not to raise.Just wanted to check up if others thought so too.
I would have gone for a river checkraise with KT if I were you and that was one of the reasons I didn´t raise.
My hand read didn´t match with your river action which kind of puzzled me.

"The K obviously improved his hand but why is he betting."

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Do you have a history of checking rivers behind with marginal hands? That could be his motivation to bet into you.

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Do you have a history of checking rivers behind with marginal hands? That could be his motivation to bet into you.

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We didn´t have much history.But yes against good players I tend to check this behind with a hand less than a pair of aces.But I could easily also check turn behind with a made hand less than a pair of aces.

Re: Don´t care much for donk bets
 

you need to consider:
would villain play wa/wb with an ace?
would villain play JQ like this?

I think that the only hand that will always be in his range is KT. hands like JQ/K2s/A3/A4 should be weighted based on your reads, and whether to raise or call will depend on those weightings

messing around with stove if you don't think he has JQo very often (weighting &lt; 50%) you should raise, and if you think he can have JQo but also more than 2 combinations of AX then you should raise (but only if he will pay off the raise with his Ax hands)

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you need to consider:
would villain play wa/wb with an ace?
would villain play JQ like this?

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I don´t think he would play QJ like this so it was heavily discounted.
I thought he would play Ax this way but not call a raise.
The only hand he could have that would pay off river was KT.I don´t say it was wrong of him to donk but it made me suspicious because when I´m in his shoes I either donk with a hand that I not intend to call a raise with or a hand that I 3-bet.

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As I made two pair on the river I just thought -OK at least one bet has to go in here. Easiest way to achieve that was my donk bet. I usually dont donk but I feared a check behind there especially from a better player... . And yeah QJ is very unlikely as I fold that vs most sane villains on the turn. So the next time this should be an easy raise for you.