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loosbastard 08-22-2007 08:24 PM

3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
Villain just sat down...so no reads whatsoever.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $107.70
BB: $120.15
UTG: $101.80
MP: $90.00
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $70.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, BTN calls $5.00, 2 folds, MP calls $4.00

Flop: ($16.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, BTN folds, MP calls $10.00

Turn: ($36.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $22.50</font>, MP calls $22.50

River: ($81.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $62.50</font>

Unknown Soldier 08-22-2007 08:29 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
read the title, and knew the answer [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Ringmaster 08-22-2007 08:45 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Loc: gettin' no respect

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hm, I can see why. lol.

I don't hate this actually, but I wouldn't make a habit of it against unknowns. I think draws make up a large part of his range on the river, so shoving probably isn't horrible. He can't have a set/straight/flush here, he definitely has something marginal that you might be able to push him off of.

So shove and watch him snap call JT. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

CSKJ 08-22-2007 08:53 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
Well he is unknown, so you dont know about how good he is, but would u would not have bet turn so weak with 77/99/TT/T9/J8 etc.

Some9 08-22-2007 08:56 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 

looks very good. If he c/c off his stack you have a buddy.

(BTW the decision is made on the turn not the river)

Mothercanuck 08-22-2007 08:59 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
when i do this I usually get called with top pair and medium kicked...players are so bad....sigh

loosbastard 08-22-2007 10:43 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
The reason for the flop/turn sizing was to setup a decent-sized river shove FWIW.

[ QUOTE ]
Loc: gettin' no respect



hm, I can see why. lol.

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lol...sadly I really do have to consider this. I swear I get no f'ing credit at Stars...ever.

Hince 08-22-2007 10:50 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
Just judging by this hand this opponent isn't standard. You really aren't representing much with this hand, and villian has called on 2 streets. He's probably calling your river bet with anything other than a missed draw. I really don't think a lone Ah is a huge part of his range.

FWIW, I usually check behind on the turn. That 4 doesn't change anything and without a read that villan floats OOP the turn bet is a spew IMO.

Casper05 08-22-2007 10:55 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
They'll always put you on a missed draw.

loosbastard 08-22-2007 10:56 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You really aren't representing much with this hand

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Huh? The rest of your advice looks good...but I disagree completely that I'm not repping anything. JJ/QQ/KK/AA w/ a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T, set, flush, etc etc. There are a ton of hands I'd bet/bet/shove w/ here.

Hince 08-22-2007 11:15 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
You really aren't representing much with this hand

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Huh? The rest of your advice looks good...but I disagree completely that I'm not repping anything. JJ/QQ/KK/AA w/ a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], X[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T, set, flush, etc etc. There are a ton of hands I'd bet/bet/shove w/ here.

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I probably didn't word that right. Villian doesn't believe you are representing a big hand, or is putting you on a missed draw.

KingGeedorah 08-23-2007 01:17 AM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
i mean he cant really call here with anything except like 109 or something.. this seems ok whats his AF?

RikkiDee 08-23-2007 04:19 AM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
100% spew

he has 1 pair, a gutshot and maybe a medium heart

and hes snap calling river

gimmetheloot 08-23-2007 04:28 AM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
doesnt look that bad IMO?

maybe just me being a fan of unbridled aggression though [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

gonna be hella tough to call this down with AhTx...
or JhTx or w/e hand like that he likely has.

jc1418 08-23-2007 05:41 AM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
1/3 on the river folds out the A of hearts. i dont think the average player looks at his top pair here and says wow what a tough decision, more often than not we get called down by top pair here. i think a small riverbet accomplishes what we want. even if betting 1/3 the pot only wins us the pot 1/2 the time isnt that profitable?

orange 08-23-2007 02:19 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
meh, i would bet more on the flop and typically check turn vs. unknown.

loosbastard 08-23-2007 02:23 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
meh, i would bet more on the flop and typically check turn vs. unknown.

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Yeah...I just can't help myself sometimes. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

He ended up timing alllllllll the way down and calls w/ 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I think this works a good % of the time against an even somewhat thinking player but against an unknown at these limits...it's definitely spew. He ended up being like a 60/3...so at least I found a buddy.

Womble 08-23-2007 02:38 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
read the title, and knew the answer [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Lol, thought this before even saw the hand

bunga 08-23-2007 02:44 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
I like this 3 barrel against mediocre players. Against bad players and really good players it is spew imo.

therealpk 08-23-2007 02:47 PM

Re: 3-barrels against an unknown...how spewy is this?
 
How could he fold T3s preflop??? There are just so many big hands it makes! Flush, 2 pair, trips, 1 pair of TENS!!!!!! And then he flops a dream... TEN HIGH. I couldn't lay it down either to someone who showed so much weakness...


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