30k VPP to Supernova
 

Hello people,

I play 25NL on Stars for the most part, sometimes higher, sometimes lower. Platinum about half of my months, but overall I average about 7000 VPP per month. 70K VPP so far. Couple questions.

In your opinion, is it worth it to try to get in the last 30k and reach Nova? I mean, I know the facts about nova vs. platinum, but is it really that big a difference to those who have reached it? I mean, it's not like Stars is going to send me a hot mail-order Russian bride or anything. If I don't change my playing behavior till the end of the year, I should finish somewhere around 85k VPP...

If I SHOULD go for it, is shortstacking and 24-tabling 100NL the best way, or should I keep 24-tabling 25NL? Can win at both, but the variance at 100NL is naturally higher and winning at 25NL naturally much easier. I know what you're thinking--a supernova 25NLer. Freak! Still, appreciate any feedback.

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how the [censored] do you play 24 tables

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With a hooker on each knee.

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instead of learning to play 24 tables...maybe you should learn how to play poker?

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Let's make a deal. I'll learn how to play poker when you learn how to reply to a basic question. Deal?

Your post was as logical or applicable to the topic as a monkey humping a doorknob. Congrats on your devolution.

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You could just move up to 50NL.

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I play 50NL as well. I'm just torn between shortstacking 100NL or fullstacking 25NL because they seem like the best ways for a microlimit player to amass VPPs... Trying to think of the ways I could do it with as little thought/effort as possible.

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we dont know how well you play, how big your bankroll is, how risk averse you are, or how meaningful the boost in benefits would be to you relative to your table earnings.

how do you expect anyone to answer it?

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In English, hopefully.

Those who have reached nova could say, for example, that they didn't really notice much difference over platinum. Or they could let me know that the added freerolls or the ability to buy some supercool nova-only item in the FPP store made the whole thing worthwhile, or the added FPPs really did seem to surprise them. Or maybe they might say that they've been in a similar spot in the past and they committed the time over the last six weeks of the year to achieve nova only to find out that the bonus really wasn't worth the effort . . . but that if I wanted to go after it anyway, they'd recommend shortstacking 100NL if I've got a bankroll of X or higher (to handle the variance). Frankly, I don't know what such people might say. That's why I'm asking the question, you see.

They could even tell me that you can get a Russian mail-order bride throught he concierge service, and that they come in three types: Natasha, Svetlana, and Liliya. Anything to help me make a more informed decision.

I didn't think the questions were as confusing as they're turning out to be. But if you want all of the info that you seemed to think was necessary to give a decent response, such as an in depth analysis of my mind's reaction to varying degrees of risk, I'll hire a psychiatrist to analyze me and get back to you with a report in a week or so. Cool?

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A,

I'll try to answer your question. Is it worth it to try to amass 30K points before the year is up?

It depends. How much are you planning on playing during the first 5 months of next year? You keep your SN for a full 5 months, the extra multiplier is worth about $1,000 - $1,500 if you can get up to 100K VPP's by the end of May next year.

The free rolls are probably worth $25-50 bucks a week, nothing to sneeze at the lower level.
Being able to purchase $1500 bonus certificates for 100K fpps versus $625 for 50K fpps, are worth about 500 hundred dollars for now.

If you can not keep 10K per month next year then you will loose your SN status by the end of Feb, and its probably not worth killing yourself now.

To get the 30K by the end of the year with 51 days left. Figure you only have 42 days you will actually play poker factoring in for some time off and the holidays. That is over 700 VPP's per day you will need for each day of poker.

At 25 NL its about 5100 hands per day.
At 50 NL its about 3000 hands per day.
At 100NL its about 1800 hands per day.

5100 hands per day is very difficult, if you have school / work, even with 24 tables. It probably makes your $2500 premium worth less than $10 buck per hour, as it will take 250-300 hours to attain. I hope you can do better than break even poker if you take this route.
YMMV

Good luck

Dennisa


Hope this helps.

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Can we get a screen shot of your 24 tables?

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Wow, Dennisa. Fantastic response, and exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks a lot. Very helpful. I guess if I want to do it, I should stick with 100NL, since all other options look too time-consuming.

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Can we get a screen shot of your 24 tables?

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Wouldn't be impressive, sorry. 24 tables all overlapping one another. Just looks like I'm playing one. Someone recommended it in these forums. Works great.

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I'm playing 24 tables of fullring and 6-max $0.10/$0.25 PLO8 and $0.25/$0.50 PLO8 until the end of the year to get the 50k vpps needed for my $2000 200k vpp milestone bonus. It's taking a very long time and I will most likely be insane (too late?) by the end but that is okay. Looks like I am gonna be able to make it pretty easily though it is a lot of play. Hopefully I get lots of FPPs out of it and don't lose too much monies. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Screenshot:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3.../24tabling.jpg

p.s.
Feel free to stop by and steal my BB a few times.

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Awesome. 24ing NL is hard enough, PLO8 would drive me insane.

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WTF....I have a hard time 12 tabling 6-Max sometimes...

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I'm playing 24 tables of fullring and 6-max $0.10/$0.25 PLO8 and $0.25/$0.50 PLO8 until the end of the year to get the 50k vpps needed for my $2000 200k vpp milestone bonus. It's taking a very long time and I will most likely be insane (too late?) by the end but that is okay. Looks like I am gonna be able to make it pretty easily though it is a lot of play. Hopefully I get lots of FPPs out of it and don't lose too much monies. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Screenshot:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3.../24tabling.jpg

p.s.
Feel free to stop by and steal my BB a few times.

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Honestly, I'd only be impressed by this if you were using two color decks. :P

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They could even tell me that you can get a Russian mail-order bride throught he concierge service, and that they come in three types: Natasha, Svetlana, and Liliya.


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I realize this isn't helpful at all, but I laughed really hard at this.

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screw the monitor, i'd like to see the PT screenshot of all those hands at $25NL

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In English, hopefully.

Those who have reached nova could say, for example, that they didn't really notice much difference over platinum. Or they could let me know that the added freerolls or the ability to buy some supercool nova-only item in the FPP store made the whole thing worthwhile, or the added FPPs really did seem to surprise them. Or maybe they might say that they've been in a similar spot in the past and they committed the time over the last six weeks of the year to achieve nova only to find out that the bonus really wasn't worth the effort . . . but that if I wanted to go after it anyway, they'd recommend shortstacking 100NL if I've got a bankroll of X or higher (to handle the variance). Frankly, I don't know what such people might say. That's why I'm asking the question, you see.

They could even tell me that you can get a Russian mail-order bride throught he concierge service, and that they come in three types: Natasha, Svetlana, and Liliya. Anything to help me make a more informed decision.

I didn't think the questions were as confusing as they're turning out to be. But if you want all of the info that you seemed to think was necessary to give a decent response, such as an in depth analysis of my mind's reaction to varying degrees of risk, I'll hire a psychiatrist to analyze me and get back to you with a report in a week or so. Cool?

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is this what happens to your people skillz when u 24 table all day long?

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WTF....I have a hard time 20 tabling 6-Max sometimes...

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FYP

OP: if you want concierge then get it, if you're happy with whatever junk they have in the normal FPP store, then don't

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They could even tell me that you can get a Russian mail-order bride throught he concierge service, and that they come in three types: Natasha, Svetlana, and Liliya.


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I realize this isn't helpful at all, but I laughed really hard at this.

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Now I know what I'm saving my FPPs for! I'll take 2 Svetlana's!

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I'll take a Svetlana with the 40,000 FPP booty bonus and the 200,000 FPP boob-job add-on. Curly brunette. Yes, I understand that jostling during shipping may result in breakage and that she might not arrive, um, alive. Oh, and some curly fries and a diet Coke.

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how are u still at 25NL after like 200,000 hands??

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how are u still at 25NL after like 200,000 hands??

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I think I suck. My game does well at 25 since the legislation. At 50 between not wanting to loose 50 bucks at a time, and a different type of player, I would rather win at 25 for now. I also play 15-24 tables at a time and do well this way.

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long time

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I'd say go for it. It shouldn't be that hard and the increase in FFPs, plus the ability to buy concierge and $1500 bonuses (60 buy-ins FTW) is worth in alone IMO .You also get extra freerolls if you don't mind playing them.

BTW props on the 24 tables and all the $25nl hands. I am with you in not being able to handle few hundred $ downswings. I can beat NL$200 but the swings will drive me insane.

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really, pls post a screen shot of 200k hands at $25NL.

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I believe supernova will increase my $$ earned from ~$325 a month to ~$1000 a month based on a twice a month purchase of the $650 bonus vs once every three month purchase of concierge service.

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I believe supernova will increase my $$ earned from ~$325 a month to ~$1000 a month based on a twice a month purchase of the $650 bonus vs once every three month purchase of concierge service.

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Actually, at Supernova, wouldn't you buy the $1500 bonus instead? Same FPP cost as 2 x $650.

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24 tables.... Poker has gone mad

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yea mad

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Ok, this is my graph from September thru yesterday.

[image]http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/upl...0f0e953fd0.jpg[/image]

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Nice job. Since I started trying to experiment with 24 tables, mine more closely resembles the heart rate of an old dude having a heart attack . . . and suddenly dying. Spike up, spike down, spike up, spike down . . . flatline.

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By the way, DO NOT order the Russian mail order bride through concierge. Mine arrived today. Opened the box to have a bearded Cambodian dwarf pop out.

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The most +ev long term thing to do is to drop 20 tables, and learn how to play poker. Otherwise, you will end up having a bankroll for NL1000 and the skills to beat NL50. Unless you are happy grinding out the 24 tables - whats your winrate/hour?
Then again, I may be a freak on this forum, I played 1 table for the first 2 years I was playing poker, and now I just do 2-7 tables depending on time of day and what limit.

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My winrate is one Natasha every 4 months.

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instead of learning to play 24 tables...maybe you should learn how to play poker?

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my toughts precisely, i wasnt thinking 'freak' at all

i was thinking 'idiot' who plays too many tables and doesnt improve his play

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i was thinking 'idiot' who plays too many tables and doesnt improve his play

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And your trolling poker forums makes you a genius. Run along.

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lololol, not trolling 25nl for over a year, relax buddy, was just playing

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I can take a joke. Just calling me an idiot doesn't seem to have a punchline, that's all. I was an idiot last year but moved up to moron last June. Definitely not an idiot. Definitely.