5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

We've been playing about 10-15 minutes. I bought in for 500 and doubled through with 78 on a 9 10 J board vs. his QJ. Other than that, pretty standard preflop, flop betting.

PeopleMover is at seat 0 with $1213.50.
blingbling MF is at seat 1 with $1268.
The button is at seat 0.

PeopleMover posts the small blind of $5.
blingbling MF posts the big blind of $10.

PeopleMover: Qc Qd
blingbling MF: -- --

Pre-flop:

PeopleMover raises to $30. blingbling MF calls.

Flop (board: Th 9h Qh):

blingbling MF checks. PeopleMover bets $50.
blingbling MF raises to $185. PeopleMover ????????

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

take std line, I guess.

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take std line, I guess.

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and that would be?

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

I play NL50, not NL1K. So I am not really sure what's std in YOUR limit. But if your villain is pretty std(as you described him), then you've got to play std with your top set on very heavy board.
If it was NL50 and std(descent opponent), I would rr 2.5 and get it in anyway, even knowing that his range is pretty nice for him here.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

Get it in and be happy about it. And also, don't play 1000NL if you are not rolled for it to buy in full. Just advice.

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Get it in and be happy about it. And also, don't play 1000NL if you are not rolled for it to buy in full. Just advice.

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yes, this was taking a shot. I play mostly 2/4NL HU and do not rathole lol

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

What can you do other than shove?

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What can you do other than shove?

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The pot is 295.00 and you want to shove for 1100.00+??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

Shoving kinda sucks because you have so much behind. He should be folding almost all hands with less than 50 percent equity (open ender, FD), prolly except 2pair hands and AhQx, and call with the ones above 50% (combo draws, made str8s and flushes). Meaning you force him to play correctly according to the FTOP.
On the other hand not shoving sucks, too, because so many turn cards are a pain in the ass.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

That's why I suggested to rr 2.5 times(I do that also with bluff).

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Get it in and be happy about it. And also, don't play 1000NL if you are not rolled for it to buy in full. Just advice.

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The last is poor advice

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

Folding top set is out.

Calling here seems bad to me because of so many scare cards to hit the turn (heart, K,J,8 etc) that will kill your action if you are ahead or force you to fold if he bets out. As well, just calling here means you will probably have to call down at least one more bet if not two on the turn and river.

So, its either raise or shove IMO. His range for check raising here is pretty large and you are ahead of most of it (lower set, two pair, draw) and have redraws against a made straight or flush. If you make a raise here you will fold to a reshove? That sucks either way IMO. I like a shove to shut down semi bluffs and you still have lots of value from lower sets and 2 pair that may call you down.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

by not shoving, but reraising we add value of him shoving couple more hands(maybe more, depends on villain). On my limit it is usually way more hands, rather than I shove myself.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

reraise

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

Just shove, you've got good equity if behind and might be ahead, so make him play the guessing games.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

On lower levels I think shoving is good because the opponents will call with wider range. On these levels I think 3-betting is a good choice in most cases. It makes opponent's decision a tougher one and allows him to make mistakes.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

If you get called, expect to be behind. But I still like shoving because it prevents us from getting semibluffed out on future streets.

RESULTS
 

PeopleMover is at seat 0 with $1213.50.
blingbling MF is at seat 1 with $1268.
The button is at seat 0.

PeopleMover posts the small blind of $5.
blingbling MF posts the big blind of $10.

PeopleMover: Qc Qd
blingbling MF: -- --

Pre-flop:

PeopleMover raises to $30. blingbling MF calls.

Flop (board: Th 9h Qh):

blingbling MF checks. PeopleMover bets $50.
blingbling MF raises to $185. PeopleMover re-raises
to $615. blingbling MF goes all-in for $1238.
PeopleMover goes all-in for $1183.50. blingbling MF
is returned $54.50 (uncalled).

Turn (board: Th 9h Qh 6c):

(no action in this round)

River (board: Th 9h Qh 6c 3c):

(no action in this round)



Showdown:

blingbling MF shows Jh 2h.
blingbling MF has Jh 2h Th 9h Qh: flush, queen high.
PeopleMover shows Qc Qd.
PeopleMover has Qc Qd Th 9h Qh: three queens.

Hand #47298138-46369 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $2427.
blingbling MF wins $2426.50 with flush, queen high.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

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On lower levels I think shoving is good because the opponents will call with wider range. On these levels I think 3-betting is a good choice in most cases. It makes opponent's decision a tougher one and allows him to make mistakes.

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You make it sound like players at 5-10 are all good. Move here and you will get called by worse enough to make it good. Also, name couple of hands you 3bet with (not all-in)
that are worse then what we have now, I cant think of many. Raising smaller only prices him in plus can get you in to trouble by making a bad fold later. Equity is good enough vs his calling range not to mention the times he folds. Just move in

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why?
 

He's never folding OESFD

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

I'd also assume that villain is not particularly good as this isn't OP's normal buyin.

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That's why I suggested to rr 2.5 times(I do that also with bluff).

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Bluff or semibluff? As a pure bluff on this board it sucks IMO

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If you get called, expect to be behind. But I still like shoving because it prevents us from getting semibluffed out on future streets.

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uhhh not true at all. opponent can call with many many hands that QQ beats.

Re: 5/10NLCASH - Top set on bad board vs. c/r what\'s your line and why
 

I think calling is best here, 3betting the flop severely limits your action, your not getting semi bluffed out unless he overbets (and you assume this to mean a flush) and you cant draw to your boat. Getting to the river and being able to play poker is fine with me.

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I think calling is best here, 3betting the flop severely limits your action, your not getting semi bluffed out unless he overbets (and you assume this to mean a flush) and you cant draw to your boat. Getting to the river and being able to play poker is fine with me.

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Why do people asume we are on a draw? We have a set!
Calling is not a good option, I mean when 1 of the 234533465 scare cards come, are we folding or still trying to draw to our boat?