good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

okerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($12.25)
Hero ($24.50)
UTG ($47.35)
UTG+1 ($11.30)
MP1 ($7.15)
MP2 ($14.65)
CO ($11.75)
Button ($23.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP1 calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($7.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $5.4 (All-In)</font>, CO calls $5.40, Button calls $5.40, Hero folds.

Turn: ($23.30) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $4.6 (All-In)</font>, Button calls $4.60.

River: ($32.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $32.50

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

The fold is easy on the flop. Whenever someone opens in position and you have a limpers, you probably want to raise him a bit more than you did here. I would go up to the pot. because of this limper mainley.

Edit: I could not remember what raising the pot with two limpers would equal out to.

There are def. times when you want to near or over-pot preflop.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

Preflop is pretty terrible. You need to raise quite a bit more than that.

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Preflop is pretty terrible. You need to raise quite a bit more than that.

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Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

Flop is fine but you have to raise preflop a lot more about 2.50 or 2.75 is fine.

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you pf raise is pretty gay

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you pf raise is pretty gay

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Let me venture to ask...What did the bet preflop do to make it gay? I mean, do you see it at a club drinking girly drinks doing the "hand" thing.

Let's be a little more constructive instead of flaming the poster and using terms that are vauge and could be offensive.

I am not offended, fyi, I just think that this post was a completely useless.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

Make a real raise pre-flop. You will have to play the rest of the hand out of position. Folding AA in a 4 way flop is OK. You make the raise big enough pre-flop to get the hand heads-up against a hand that you crush. Not a small raise that any speculative hand will call.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

Re-raising with AA pf is bad here. Stack sizes are all wrong. Just call. Push unlimited $$$ on flop with AA all the time.

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Re-raising with AA pf is bad here. Stack sizes are all wrong. Just call. Push unlimited $$$ on flop with AA all the time.

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Just ignore that. It's unbelievably bad. Not re-raising with AA pre-flop here is pretty terrible.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

Preflop is weak, as mentioned before.

I'm not sure why you checked the flop. I'd lead with a pot-sized bet. I've seen friendlier flops, but it's not KKQ or anything.

And while I agree that we can fold and wait for a better spot given all the action on the flop, and the multiple opponents, I'm not sure what we're afraid of our opponents having. 76 for two pair? A set? Certainly possible, but given the size of the pot and our strong hand, do you feel good about laying this down?

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

I prefer calling in this spot.

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Re-raising with AA pf is bad here. Stack sizes are all wrong. Just call. Push unlimited $$$ on flop with AA all the time.

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Just ignore that. It's unbelievably bad. Not re-raising with AA pre-flop here is pretty terrible.

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re-raising here gives your hand away. i mean, come on. I'm folding qq- here everytime. Maybe not kk though but only because i'm a suckout wizard with kk against aa.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

You people really do hate money don't you.

Reasons to reraise preflop

- You have a big hand (the nuts if you will)
- You have multiple interested parties and would rather not have all of them join you on the flop unless they pay for it
- You will be OOP for the rest of the hand
- Liking money

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

calling is sweet here because we have the nuts and want a family pot. i mean we can't win a big pot without tarping, ldo. however, we need to reraise w/ kk for information so that if 4bet we can make the right (but painfully correct) fold.

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Re-raising with AA pf is bad here. Stack sizes are all wrong. Just call. Push unlimited $$$ on flop with AA all the time.

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Just ignore that. It's unbelievably bad. Not re-raising with AA pre-flop here is pretty terrible.

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re-raising here gives your hand away. i mean, come on. I'm folding qq- here everytime. Maybe not kk though but only because i'm a suckout wizard with kk against aa.

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see above post on why we need to smooth call aa and reraise kk. raising 3bbs otb after 2 limpers is such a strong play that qq=22 here and if you're folding 22 you need to to be folding qq.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

good lord, if you would fold QQ in that position, then your folding way too much. My nitty 3-bet range alone would make you fold pretty much every decent hand you got.

Reasons why you raise PF - You have the most equity, and you know what...you put $ into the pot when you have the most equity...

Crovax

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

wtf is this thread? i hope most of you aren't this retarded.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

OP, I'm making it at least $2.75 preflop and sometimes a little more if I've seen people call big raises with garbage.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

To all the guys leveling in here : This isn't BBV, so gtfo.

Re-raise more pre-flop please.

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raise more preflop. I'd just shove the flop. You may be against a set but you could also be against other stuff like fds.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

Why would you say that. People playing short usaually suck just get as much as you can in preflop.

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This is all completly wrong. These players are probebly bad they will call you reraise with all shorts of stuff. The initial raise was small anyway. In general raising for info in NL is bad.

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calling is sweet here because we have the nuts and want a family pot. i mean we can't win a big pot without tarping, ldo. however, we need to reraise w/ kk for information so that if 4bet we can make the right (but painfully correct) fold.

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Calling here with this many people in the pot is beyond awful IMO. You have the nuts.. charge them to stay in. Don't give them cheap flops with aa

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

To all you people saying that we should just call PF(which is wrong in the first place). Also notice that there are two shorties! They will get in much easier than a full stack.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

This thread is the reason why poker is not "dead"

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This thread also explains the reason money funnels up from micro stakes into high limit players' hands...

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

If you often see family pots like this when there has been a raise and a re-raise you should consider overbetting the pot pre-flop. Instead of the normal $2.5 that you would 3bet you could make it $4 or something. Best case scenario would be that someone 4bets/pushes. You have the absolute nuts pre-flop and the more money you can put in the better.

If Button drops out at this point you'd be happy, too, as you can then mindlessly push any flop against the shorties.

Re: good result- but the right play all the time? NL25
 

well i can safely say i will never pussy-raise AA preflop ever again...