nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

These two hands are against the same Villain. Here are the relevant stats (I think) as I saw them during the hands. We don't have a history other than what you see here.

171 hands
Preflop: 27/16 (7% 3-bet, 0/7/7% EP/LP/blinds)

Flop play: AF = 3.9 broken down r/c/f = 15/31/54 out of 53 possible actions. Called c-bet 8/13 times.

Turn play: r/c/f = 0/41/59 out of 31 turn actions.

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Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $104.60
Button: $141.30
SB: $68.90
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $11</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($23.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($23.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $14</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $38</font>, Button calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($99.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $55.6</font>, Button calls.

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Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $139.65
UTG+1: $143.45
CO: $76
Button: $182.90
SB: $127.10
BB: $71.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($23.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $20</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($63.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $63.5</font>, Hero calls.

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

fold river in hand two, you dont beat anything there imo.

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

1 is standard - 2 is ez fold for sure.

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

what was your plan for checking into him on hand#1..deception? slow the pot down? CR?

IMO i lead the flop here

Hand number two i think he will show you a missed flush with overs or an eight enough to make the call profitable.

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

#1 is fine, there are a bunch of possible lines, but you got the cabbage in the middle on an undercard board, so w/e.

#2 is tougher, you just have to put him on a range. Obviously you are in sad shape if he is on mostly pairs. The PT stat "cold call preflop" is useful here, don't know if your HUD has it, as well as any kind of river agg stat, although the sample size will be small.

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

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what was your plan for checking into him on hand#1..deception? slow the pot down? CR?

IMO i lead the flop here

Hand number two i think he will show you a missed flush with overs or an eight enough to make the call profitable.

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Leading is so retarded in hand 1. Why are you leading? Why?

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

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what was your plan for checking into him on hand#1..deception? slow the pot down? CR?

IMO i lead the flop here

Hand number two i think he will show you a missed flush with overs or an eight enough to make the call profitable.

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Leading is so retarded in hand 1. Why are you leading? Why?

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um because there are a lot of scare cards that can come if it gets checked through?

idk about you but i protect my hands oop

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

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what was your plan for checking into him on hand#1..deception? slow the pot down? CR?

IMO i lead the flop here

Hand number two i think he will show you a missed flush with overs or an eight enough to make the call profitable.

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Leading is so retarded in hand 1. Why are you leading? Why?

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um because there are a lot of scare cards that can come if it gets checked through?

idk about you but i protect my hands oop

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There aren't that many scarecards.

I guess you can lead if you want to fold out 75% of the hands we beat, many of which will stab at the flop if we check.

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what was your plan for checking into him on hand#1..deception? slow the pot down? CR?

IMO i lead the flop here

Hand number two i think he will show you a missed flush with overs or an eight enough to make the call profitable.

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Leading is so retarded in hand 1. Why are you leading? Why?

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um because there are a lot of scare cards that can come if it gets checked through?

idk about you but i protect my hands oop

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There aren't that many scarecards.

I guess you can lead if you want to fold out 75% of the hands we beat, many of which will stab at the flop if we check.

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um ..a lot of the hands we still have beat have good hand equity still. plz protect thx

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

hand 1 looks ok, if you c/ced turn i think youd have to call river bets so yeah i dont mind it.

hand 2 looks like a fold on the river to me.

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

1- I would bet the turn, but your line is fine too

2- def fold river..you beat 99

Re: nl100: two weak overpair hands
 

Thanks for the feedback so far. The guy who's coaching me (thankless and unprofitable task most likely) gave this feedback. Comments?

Hand 1: ...not terrible but leading the turn is the standard play. The turn c/r would be a much better line with QQ+ because there are more hands in his 3-betting range that have to stack off.

Hand 2: Check the turn for pot control. Just because he's calling a lot of flops and turns fairly light doesn't make it right to bloat the pot with a marginal hand, because then you just get stuck exactly as I did: with a bluff-catcher on the river facing a huge bet.

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1- I would bet the turn, but your line is fine too

2- def fold river..you beat 99

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As we discussed over AIM, this exactly what I was thinking.

Bet turn in 1, for pot control. Also, don't want to give a free card and get to a wtf spot on the river.