Big blind special, ugly turn card in large pot
 

15/30 hollywood park

First round so reads are tentative

EP no idea
MP is old aggressive thinking player. Dunno his ranges at all though
CO is a dealer player who bought in short, plays decently, but can't really read hands and is playing above his comfort zone
SB has a fair amount of chips. I think he is new to poker, and that his mom gave him some money to play and he is running good (I know this because I was sitting in a smaller game, and a lady talked about having her son in the 15/30)

Everyone limps. I check AJo in the BB.
Flop AJQ with a flush draw
I lead . ep folds . MP Raises . I'm putting MP on an isolation raise. co calls 2 . I am putting him on either an ace or a pair+straight draw, and probably the latter. sb calls 2 I take it up to the 3rd floor, because I decide that MP is probably unhappy with the way the hand is going, and I won't be able to CR the field on the turn. MP folds, Co calls . sb calls .

Turn AJQ(K) offsuit
sb checks . I decide that I don't wanna put any more than 1 bet in UI and I check hoping either my hand is good or that I catch a FH or a ten for a 3 way chop.
CO checks
River AJQK(5) no flush
sb bets. I call because the pot is big, and MAYBE he missed his flush or he may be leading a weaker 2 pair he thinks is good, and because I am pretty damn sure I have CO beaten so I don't fear an overcall.

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I can't see any other way to play it. I think trying to c/r the turn is probably always a mistake with this board because it'll get checked through too often or a scare card will shut everyone down (especially so with your read).

nh.

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Snowball YGPM

hand is fine

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IAGYPMQSM

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I don't know what that means, I just know you didn't respond telling me how awesome I am.

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Which 15/30 game was it? I sat briefly at both before moving to the 25/50.

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Which 15/30 game was it? I sat briefly at both before moving to the 25/50.

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by the time I sat, there was only one game going. It was next to the rail. You weren't seat 9 at the 25, were you?

edit: any thoughts on this hand?

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I just call the raise back to me on the flop.

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The hand looks fine. I suppose the main question is how often you can get in a c/r on the turn if you just call the flop. I don't count on most opponents in those games to take aggressive action pretty much ever, especially not on scary boards. So go ahead and collect your value on the flop.

Also, if max protection is the concern, three-betting does cause people to fold (correctly and incorrectly) a fair amount of the time. You are oop and want to thin the field, so you can make the correct decisions against opponents when you are unsure where you are on turn/river.

Also, with the likelihood of gutshots or flushes completing on the turn, defining your hand more now is to your advantage when you safely fold the river UI.

Also, whats your plan if the flush card hits turn, river etc?

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You weren't seat 9 at the 25, were you?

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That was me. Good guess.

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You weren't seat 9 at the 25, were you?

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not really a guess. I'm basically an expert at spotting 2p2ers. If I were in X-Men that would be my superpower. lulz

I guess no one feels like discussing turn at all, because it's super standard or something?

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IMO you have to bet the turn. I hate being against three others here too but the sb's chances of having a straight are severely diminished since he checked the turn on this board (although he's retarded and retarded players do make dumb checkraises, i know).

Plus, we've got an apparently unretarded raiser in the mix whose range should be Ax/QJ/KT. So we're most afraid of the CO and we just have to suck it up and bet since there are a bunch of worse two pair hands that will call and a bunch of counterfeiting cards that come on the river and cost us money against hands that would fold the turn.

-Michael

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Plus, we've got an apparently unretarded raiser in the mix whose range should be Ax/QJ/KT.

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nope. The MP raiser folded on the flop for one more bet. CO is left in the pot. He called 2 cold on the flop and called the 3rd flop bet too. On flop I thought he either had an ace, a pair+ a draw, or a flush draw. I think CO is probably folding his ace, but never folding his other hands.

Also, I don't think it's that retarded to try for a CR with a ten after I 3bet. I mean, I 3 bet a scary flop, which implies I am very strong.

The thing is that I always have to pay 2 when I am behind, and I often am. All of the hands I want a call from will fold for 1 more bet on the turn, and none of them that I want to fold will fold.

Also, the pot is not ginourmous at this point, so it's not utterly imperative to FEUER FREI here.

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is anyone betting the river if SB checks?

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Yes. If that happens neither one of them hase the nuts and you have no reason to think you're beat. He's not trying to c/r after whiffing the c/r on the turn. The other villain doesn't check behind the turn with the nuts against 2 players. I may pay off a raise as well.

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you can bet-fold this turn without much worry. or bet-call and fold the river when you dont fill. you should call the river. you should raise pf against this field they will have some pretty retarded hands much of the time so you make those sklansky dollars yum yum.